Ep.8 Fatherhood, Alcoholism and the liberating sobriety interview w/ Bryan Horvat

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Hello, hello, and welcome to the Borealis

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experience and the host Aurora. And I'm very happy to be

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spending some time with you today. And posting this

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interview for you with Brian Harvard. very touching story

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about fatherhood, alcoholism, and the liberating feeling of

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sobriety. He, at some point in his life was raising four

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children, and lives now with his two biological daughters, and is

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hustling through COVID struggles and home schooling, like

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supporting his kids at school, and is just doing a fantastic

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job. And this is why I absolutely needed him on the

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show here. Because he also will tell you how much he learned

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from Yeah, his journey to freedom from alcohol. Enjoy this

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interview. And until very soon again, bye, bye. Now let's jump

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right into this interview. Welcome. Brian Horvat. How's it

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been for you, you've been in a really good place now I feel you

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look very healthy, and radiant. But you also told me that there

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was a time where you struggled with alcohol? Was that before

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your kids? Or did you have to deal with that, during, like,

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while you had kids, and then kind of struggle with your well

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being and then being there for for children as well? Was it

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like, all together in one? Or was that like, separate? Well,

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I mean, I suppose looking back alcohol, I mean, it's always

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just been kind of a part of my life in the respect that, you

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know, it's just pop culture, people, you know, my parents

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always had a glass of wine with dinner, and, you know, there was

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always beers in the fridge. And, you know, I would not say that

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they had drinking problems or anything like that, but it was,

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it was always just present, right. And so it after

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childhood, and they moved on, you know, I just thought, hey,

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it's always normal to have alcohol around, I should have

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alcohol around, you know, my first apartment seemed like, one

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of the first things I had to do to really make it an adult place

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of my own was to put beer in the fridge. And, you know, which

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your friends quickly come over and drink on you, and you have

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to replace, you know, so they got a 15 packs and 24 packs,

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and, and so yeah, my, in my younger life, it was, it was, it

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was just kind of there and it and it was part of the culture

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with me and my friends who you know, like to have a good time

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back then, you know, when we were young. But then around the

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time that I, I got married and started having my own kids is

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when I kind of took a step back, I wasn't drinking, you know,

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every day, we didn't keep it in the house. My wife wasn't really

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a drinker at all. And so there was, you know, it was just

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wasn't part of my life for a while. But then when things

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started getting a little bit, you know, more, I don't want to

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say tough, just kind of lonely. And then boredom kind of set in.

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When, you know, my wife was working nights at the pub, and I

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had all the kids at all four kids at home, and they were very

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young, very young. So they were all in bed by 738 o'clock at

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night. And I'd have my whole evening, just myself alone

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sitting on the couch, watching TV. So it became I'll just grab

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some beers. And as soon became a habit, every day, I'd go drop my

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wife off at work, and I'd pick up a six pack, and I'd bring it

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home and I'd drink that six pack throughout the night. You know,

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while I while I watch TV, and that, you know, kept me company

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took the edge off the boredom and the loneliness when, when I

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was just by myself. So that basically, you know, as a six

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pack with a six pack a day became the normal kind of

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behavior for a couple of years. And, you know, I'm a fairly big

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guy. And then I mean, that wouldn't really impair me, you

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know, it was just it problematic in the way that it became an

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everyday habit. And by, by the time a few years went by, from

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that point on, you know, the kids were getting a little bit

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older and, and, you know, I was a stay at home Dad, I had my

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side businesses, I drink dogs and stuff like that, but yeah, I

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I, I just found myself with more opportunity to drink and all of

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a sudden, you know, six packs in the beer stores turned to eight

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packs. They, you know, they the six packs went away, and they

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all became eight packs. So that six pack just became an eight

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pack a day. And, you know, things just kind of slowly, you

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know, became comfortable at that pace. And then just like That my

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marriage ended just all of a sudden. And I was just hit like

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a ton of bricks. And so my wife decided to leave our home, leave

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our house and went and you know, got her own place. But I, you

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know, I was a stay at home Dad, I didn't have any income

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whatsoever. And being a stay at home Dad, you know, I was

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claimed as a dependent on her taxes, I wouldn't get Child Tax

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or anything, even though I still had all four kids at home. So I

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was now in a desperate fight for survival, literally, how am I

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going to pay the bills at this house, how am I gonna feed these

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kids every day, I don't have any money, I don't have a job. And I

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don't know how to go get a job with these four kids, because

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somebody's got to watch them. And, you know, my, I have a big

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family, and they're very helpful where they can be, but they're

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all professionals, and they all still work full time. And, you

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know, there's, there's nobody, I didn't have anybody to watch the

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kids, and her side of the family was not present at all. So, it,

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it was quite a struggle. And, and I found that at the end of

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the day, I was so, so overwhelmed that the only thing

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that I could do is, you know, drink, but I waited till the end

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of the day, you know, and the kids would go to bed, and then I

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would I would drink. And that that became normal for for a

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long time. And then then, I suppose after about a single

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with the kids,

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well, you know, they went through a few different stages,

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you know, gee, my wife is still around for a while at her place

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on the move, too. And she would take the kids, you know, for the

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weekend, sometimes she'd have a weekend off work and, and stuff

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like that. And that's, that lasted for maybe about a year.

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And unfortunately, you know, her lifestyle developed into habits

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that snowballed into addiction. And, and she, she left she just

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kind of went off the radar for for years and years and years,

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you know, the better part of a decade. And so, after, after

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that, when she when she went her own way, my step girls went to

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live with their dad. And, and I had my two and, and we just kind

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of started our own our life kind of a new with no, no, no mom in

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the picture. And we're just going to do this on our own kind

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of thing. And that, that gave me a really, I don't know, that

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really big boost of confidence and sense of value. Because, you

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know, I hadn't been a provider for my family for all those

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years, I'd, you know, I'd been the caretaker but not the

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provider. And that's something that's, you know, ingrained in a

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young guy growing up, that's something you have to do you

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know, and so finally, being able to do that I got a really good

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job, you know, running directional drills, doing

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underground cable drops for short cable, and it was high

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pain and a lot of responsibility, like the kind of

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job that if I didn't show up to work, everybody had to go home

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kind of thing, then so that kept me really grounded. And yeah,

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then the drinkin stopped for a while, quite a long time. And I

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mean, I wouldn't say stopped, I would still like my beers after

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work and stuff like that, but it was the daily kind of habitual

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thing. And that lasted for almost three years. Like they

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worked that job and it was, you know, it paid the bills, and I

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didn't need any income from from the ex wife and couldn't find

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her anyways. And, you know, we just got into a comfortable

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routine and the three of us and things were great for a long

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time, you know, they were still they were still young, we were

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all, you know, under kindergarten age. And so,

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can I interrupt quickly? I don't know. If I understood right. How

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did you get to that job? So from from that super desperate

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situation, drinking more and more. How did you get that job?

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Again? Maybe you mentioned but I

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Well, it was I just answered an ad in the paper. I grew up my

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dad on the golf course construction company and then so

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I grew up working all kinds of heavy equipment, machinery and

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stuff like that. So I know my way around, you know, the

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equipment. I'm a good operator. So I saw this ad that was

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actually looking for an excavator operator for this

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cable crew. And I answered it and the guy just kind of hired

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me on the spot. We hit it off in the Tim Hortons you know and

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they started the next day. And so after a while, you know he

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hired another guy. who worked as the driller and I worked as the

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digger on the excavator and, and we were halfway through the year

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the other guy quit and so I took over as a driller, and, and then

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we hired another guy and just kind of fell in and a tight

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little crew kind of formed and, and, you know, we worked

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together for quite a few years until, you know, the jobs shock

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cable just kind of stopped doing underground drops for a while

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the jobs just disappeared. So first of all, for a long time,

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there was security, you know, and, and we were all happy

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together, you know, and everything was great. And then

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I, you know, I got into a relationship after a few years,

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that, you know, was kind of a bit Rocky, I won't, you know, I

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won't give any details, I will I would anybody but, you know, it

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was a person who was a full blown alcoholic. And so she'd

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come home from work every day with, you know, a case of beer

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for her and a case of beer for me. You know, it's, I think it's

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a misery loves company thing, you know, if you're drinking

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too, then you know, you can't judge me for me what I'm doing

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and, and so what I found is if I, if I just paste myself, she

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get all the way through hers and into the next one, and then just

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become a mean, nasty person that I didn't like being around. And,

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and I, you know, I had already, you know, moved out of my house

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and into hers, which was a big risk, you know, after three

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years in my place, and I was comfortable there and

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everything, you know, and so I yeah, rested, I moved in, and

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then I you know, you don't really see some parts of people

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until you live together. And this is what it was. And so as a

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as a coping mechanism, I thought, well, I can handle my

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liquor better than her. And so I started drinking all the way

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through my case, so I can drink some of hers before, you know,

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so she couldn't drink too much. Because it became so hard, it

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became too hard to deal with her. And there was times where

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I'd have to pack my kids up in the middle of the night and put

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them in the car and, and go somewhere else to sleep for the

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night because she was having a fit, you know. And so very

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quickly, one day, she had to go somewhere and do something for a

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day. And I just had a whole bunch of guys and drugs come

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pull up and we just sneaky moved me out. And I called my old

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landlord and my other place hadn't been rented yet. And he

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let me back in. So I got my old place back. And, but, but I've

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been at her house for two months, and I've been drinking,

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you know, 1518 beers a day to, you know, because of this stupid

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little situation, you know, and obviously, I wasn't making the

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right decisions. I was, it was a very poor decision to to go

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about it the way I did. But I did, that's what I did. So here

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I was, then and now I've got this habit of for two months,

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I've been drinking a lot every day. And now my body's starting

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to really want it, you know? And then that's and that's where it

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really started. For me, that's where it got bad. And so yeah, I

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from that point on I, I had a couple of periods, I think I

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quit once for a few months, and then I quit and another time for

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10 months. You know and and during those windows

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extraordinary things would happen, you know, whole

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businesses would would come out of nowhere and flourish I you

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know, I when I quit drinking for 10 months, I like kind of began

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delving into learning about a hobby of mine or something I

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always kind of wanted to learn about which was aquaponics and,

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you know, the combination of aquaculture and hydroponics and

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sustainable farming and, and

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with without alcohol clouding my brain, and without the other

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stresses i'd previously had in my life, I just, but just absorb

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all this information and that all motivation. So I started a

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company building, you know, custom aquaponic systems for

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people and growing foods. And it was it became a huge success and

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that parlayed into kind of a secondary business where i was

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growing sprouts and microgreens and packaging them and selling

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them at markets and to restaurants and stores and, and

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I was making like really good money, you know, but after a

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while I thought so. I'm good, this alcoholism isn't a thing

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anymore. And I just kind of slowly started having beers

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again, every now and then. And that's slowly again, spiraled

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into drinking a lot. And right around the time that that was

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doing really well. I got into another relationship this time

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with a you know, a really good woman. And, you know, some

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things aren't meant to be forever. You know, sometimes we

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hold on to things a little longer than we should I think.

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And then the the sour, you know, just like food in the fridge,

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kinda you know, some things have an expired agent and you

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shouldn't hang on to them after that, but But that's how it was

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we had a great relationship, and then it just kind of kinda ended

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and, and I started drinking a lot again. So we, you know, we

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had bought a house together. And, you know, she moved out

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again. And so now here I am, I have all the financial

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responsibilities instead of half. So my financial

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responsibilities just doubled. Any buddy, I had two ever helped

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me with childcare banished. And so I was back to kind of square

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one again, no one, no one to keep me grounded, no at another,

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no other adults in my life to tell me Don't do that. Stop it.

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You know, and I did my mom, my mom was really great for you

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know, recognizing when, when I'm not myself, and when I'm, you

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know, depression really takes hold and I'm drinking and, and

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the depression and anxiety just makes me a terrible, terrible

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person to be around, you know, I, you know, just not my best

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self. And so that that kind of next year after not quite a

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year, I guess it only took it was a it was a very steep

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downward spiral. From the time Amanda moved out to the time. I

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like quit drinking. But once she moved out, it was bad a, you

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know, I had money, I'd been working in a really good job and

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knife, I had money in my pocket. And, and so buying liquor wasn't

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a problem. And I had this anxiety, which kept me up at

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night. So it became waking up at three o'clock in the morning.

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You know, and I can't get back to sleep. So maybe if I just

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slam a beer really quick, I'll be buzzed enough, I can just

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drift off. But well, well, that beer tasted good. So I better

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have another one. And then you know, by eight o'clock in the

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morning, I've already drank 10 beers, you know, and I'm waiting

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for the liquor store to open to go buy another box. And I say

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that my tolerance was, you know, such that I could still function

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throughout my day and go about my day, and a lot of people

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didn't have any clue that I was drinking at all, the people who

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knew me really well knew, because obviously it changed my

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character. But yeah, I became a really bad problem. And so for

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for about maybe six months, I was drinking about 25 beers a

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day, every day. All day, you know, my all my waking hours

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spent drinking, you know? And yeah, that it just kind of one

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day snapped into my head, like, what are you doing grow up,

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you're gonna die. And, and actually the turning point for

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me because you tell yourself a lot of little lies to the, to

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the point where, where you start to believe even the bigger ones,

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and then eventually you're totally your whole life is a

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lie. And, you know, it's somewhere inside, you know it,

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but you want to do this behavior. So, you know, you put

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that little voice away. And one day it was the straw that broke

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the camel's back was really, I took in my recycling, I went to

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go do my cans. And I had only been to the bottle depot the

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week before and not the week before the month before and only

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been a month or so. And I'm loading all these cases, empty

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beer cases out of them, stacking them up in front of my house, my

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friends coming to pick me up in his suburban because you're not

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going to fit in the car. And then, you know, we had to put

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all the seats down in the suburban and we packed it front

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to back wall, you know, floor to ceiling and, you know, I got

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back like normal $70 it's like 700 it was all beer accounts.

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It's like 700 cans of beer, I drank that month.

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So it was it was just a visual representation of my habit. And

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I was like, like, Wow, my poor liver, like, all that's been

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going through my body in a month like, so it became very clear to

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me, this is gonna be nobody else is gonna raise his kids. So,

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yeah, I just snapped out of it. I quit that very day. And I

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haven't had a drink since about one drink since. But it wasn't

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easy. The first the first five months weren't a pleasant time.

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I was, I was I felt sorry for myself. I felt like I was the

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only one who'd ever gone through this. You know? And, you know, I

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felt like I had nobody on my side and that every you know,

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that this was just and again, like I felt that his sobriety

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was something that was done to me forced upon me. You know

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that, that I thought that I really loved drinking. Because

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it was really, you know, it was just the one thing that I made

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so important. You know, other than my children, it was just my

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kids and drinking. That's That's all I had. And so and because of

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that, you know, had a beer in my hand all day for so long. A lot

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of my, you know, habits and just my daily routine, it was all

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associated with drink. And so just going about my routine

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without without having that beer in my hand was was stressful

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and, and it took me it took about five months for that fog

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to kind of clear. But when it did, you know, what a What a

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glorious thing.

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Yeah. And that's been one year now. Well, I can tell you

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exactly. I have a little app that

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keeps me focused here. 10 months and 15 days, so 10 and a half

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months? Wow. That's pretty bad as and yeah.

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So

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would you say that you still encounter situations where you

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have to make a choice, where it's like, I'd be so nice to

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have that Vietnam, but this part of your mind that like Earth and

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doesn't allow you to go down? Well, so

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I, the first time I quit drinking for that 10 months,

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every day, every single day. But I wasn't ready yet. No, I was

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doing that more, you know, to kind of appease other people

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that were putting pressure on me to quit, as opposed to wanting

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it for myself. And so I just couldn't wait until I felt

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healthy enough to drink again. That's how it was then. Right.

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And after 10 months, I was feeling pretty good. I was like,

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I guess I'm ready to drink again. You know, this time, I

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haven't really, since I got past that, that five month fog, and

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haven't really looked back. For I wasn't and I should say one

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thing it was it's, it might be kind of unusual in the alcoholic

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world. Um, I wouldn't just drink anything, I only drank beer. If

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I couldn't get a beer, I wouldn't drink whiskey or

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anything if it was around, you know, it was just beer. And so,

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and a lot of that, to me was, I loved it. But it tasted so good.

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And it was so refreshing. And I just loved it how cold beer on a

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hot day or a stressful moment or, you know, it was just so

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good. But then after, after I quit, I tried replacing that,

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taking the edge off that by drinking non alcoholic beer for

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a couple of months, you know, which is not any less expensive.

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And, you know, it doesn't taste great after a week or so you can

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kind of trick yourself into sort of enjoying it a little bit. But

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after a while my brain just kind of went you don't like this

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anymore. The beer doesn't taste good to you anymore. And so I

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just stopped like the all my triggers, you know, just stopped

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working. I did I never haven't craved beer since. Yeah, you

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know, and the odd time the the odd, stressful moment to be

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like, Oh, your mind goes back. like can you really use a drink

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right now but it's a blink and it's gone. You know? He snapped

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right out of it.

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Yeah, you managed so stronger than that level. Yeah. monkey

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mind of yours. Yes. That's very Yeah, that's character. That's

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mental strength. One on one, right. It's, well, don't don't

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give me too much credit. I focused my addiction on the

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sugar immediately afterwards. And then I put on 45 pounds.

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Yeah, and then you can get out of that, too with the same line

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said, Well, yeah, and I and I have

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I have now so we they ate they ate today with no sugar. And I

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should

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say ever since I was a kid. I mean, I don't remember drinking

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water. I'm not like a water drinker. Yeah, never, never at

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any point in my day, do I fill up a cup of water and drink it?

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It's just not a thing I do. Period. You know, I drink tea in

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the mornings, you know and I would drink before it was beer

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in the afternoons or whatever. And then and then it became pop.

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Just like Dr. Pepper case Dr. Pepper every couple days after

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and, but never water. And so I was I was talking with my my

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friends Michael Gervais and his wife Sandy. And, you know,

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they're their big inspirations for me for as far as this

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fitness and, and you know, healthy body image stuff goes

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because, you know, they're just championing this right now.

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They're just doing awesome. And I was over there at their shop

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and Sandy was like, you got to start start drinking water. And

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I, it occurred to me that like, yeah, people need water to

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survive and I never drink water ever. And so but and God is big

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old water bottle but my buddy actually gave me and and I drink

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it about five times a day as I'm thinking about, you know, five,

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six liters of water every single day and no sugar. And yesterday

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after a week I weighed myself and I've lost 11 pounds and two

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inches. So yeah, so I'm just gonna keep that up. And now we

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don't miss the sugar I did for a few days. I was like, just

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fiending wanting to cheat so bad. Like, every time I I had a

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minute of boredom. I just wanted to eat something sweet. But

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after about three days of that I craved my water. You know,

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that's what's helping?

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Yeah. Yeah, like I told you on our first meeting here you have

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such a beautiful skin. And then I was like, oh, maybe he has a

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filter on. But it is the water that makes you glow and your

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eyes are sparkling. And sugar addiction is like just as bad as

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cocaine. I feel like the headaches you get. And the

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tricks your mind wants to play on. You are just so

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you mentioned headaches because the first few days that I

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stopped drinking pop and already sugar at all at all. I guess. It

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was unbelievable. The headaches I had and I don't get headaches

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and headaches aren't a thing that I I suffer from you know, a

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lot of people get headaches all the time. I yeah, I'm lucky I

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don't don't get headaches. And or it was three days of just

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like oh and good and make it go away. And go in the hot shower,

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take Tylenol, you know, just do whatever I can try to meditate.

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Couldn't get my headaches to go away. So

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Oh, that's incredible. That was Frank, we're coming to an end

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here those 40 minutes ran through like, what? If you No,

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no, that was so wonderful. It was it was incredible.

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Everything you shared and and very like you very good flow and

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awesome voice. If there was three things that you would like

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to Yeah, three things you want to give people who are still

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maybe struggling with addiction or depression, anxiety, self

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worth issues?

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What would that be?

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Well, one thing I can tell you right now is that if you're, if

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you're actively in addiction, you're lying to yourself so much

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that you can't trust yourself, you need to listen to the people

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who love you. Their their opinion is going to be much more

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clear and focused and accurate and better for you then, than

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anything you're going to tell yourself in this time. They'll

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they will get you through it lean on the people who love you

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because they're there for you. And if you don't find somebody

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to support you, Alcoholics Anonymous is wonderful for a lot

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of people. It gives a lot of people support, I don't use it,

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I've never been all that years ago I've been but this time

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around I I haven't but it's a it's a imperative that you have

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a support network and somebody who's going to keep your best

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interests, you know, in in mind and remind you of those because

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you're going to lie to yourself and you're going to, you know,

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talk yourself into your your habitual behavior every time if

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you don't have that. That's one I guess, to stay busy find

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something meaningful to do with your time. You know, the, the

Unknown: 00:29:15

best thing for me has been learning new things, you know, I

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became a licensed drone pilot. And I started a business you

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know, doing aerial inspections and photography and, and that

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has given me so much to learn, you know, just that that

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spiraled into many things, you know, having to I bought this

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computer for video editing and, and having to learn computer

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systems has opened up other doors for me and you know, it's

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it's created streams of income and, but but mainly it's kept me

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focused on something else, and something productive. Because at

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the end of the day here, you're left with yourself and what and

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what you've done, you know, and if, if you're just doing

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nothing, you know, at the end of the day, you're gonna have

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nothing And the ease your mind or feel proud of? And you need

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that as well. Because it's it's encouragement, right? And three,

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what's the third one? You know, I guess it kind of goes along

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with with the first one, it's, it's, for me, it's but you gotta

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love someone back. You know, you got to the number one is that

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somebody you know, love you and listen to them, but you got to

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love something back to me I mean if it's a puppy or a dog or, or

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yourself if you're just focusing on yourself, but you have to,

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you have to get into the habit of physically demonstrating, you

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know, love in your life as well. Not just receiving it, but but

Unknown: 00:30:45

demonstrating it, you know? Yeah. And then that's the only

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way you're going to feel whole, you know, yeah, you have to be

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able to receive love, you have to be able to give it and you

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have to be able to do something meaningful with your time and

Unknown: 00:30:59

those things. That's just like a recipe for success right there.

Unknown: 00:31:03

Yeah. Bang on. Wow, that was the most powerful ending of an

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interview I ever had. Wonderful, wonderful. Wonderful. Thank you

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so much, Brian, for your time. Thank you for having me. Yeah,

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it was. It was incredible. Thank you so much. And yeah, you have

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a good rest of your day. You as well. Talk to. Yeah, thank you

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so much for listening to this interview today. Demonstrating

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love. Isn't that so simple and easy to do? And, yeah, so

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healing to do. I found this ending very, very powerful and

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inspiring. And I hope we brought some light into your life. I

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hope we brought some hope into your life. Know that we're

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always there to support you. We're not medical doctors or

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counselors. We're just people who went through intense stuff,

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ready to talk about it, and ready to support others. So

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never hold back from reaching out. If you want to do us a huge

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be so life changing. It is really the currency on how to

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show appreciation towards a podcast. Thank you so much for

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supporting us and I will be out there very soon again. Bye bye.