Ep. 7 Support the men in your life interview w/ Kaleem Sikandar

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Hello, hello and welcome to the Borealis

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experience. I'm your host Aurora. And I'm so excited that

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Kaeleem Sikander took the time to be with me today on this episode.

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He is a dear friend of mine a strong inspiration. And he also

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does incredible work.

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He is a spiritual leader. He organizes men's circles, he's

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very active member in his community. And he not only helps

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men to heal,

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he also supports women and facilitates,

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like, the communication between men and women like to make it

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easier to make the gap that he sees the tension between men and

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women, like smaller, lower. I'm so happy to have you here. I'm

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so excited to learn

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from you. And I would love you to share, like the one or two

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things that you have learned when it comes to healing the

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masculine. Ever since we last spoke, I think it was back in, I

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don't know June or July that we last met. And I'm sure that

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there's many things that you could share with my audience,

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when it comes to healing the masculine bettering the

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relationship between men and women. Welcome, Ken Lindsey

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candor.

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Thank you, thank you, thank you so much. Thank you for that

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beautiful introduction. I am so happy to be here. And as you

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said, you know, we're, we're such great friends. And this has

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been such a lovely experience to be on this journey with you. We

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have grown together. And I just want to foreshore share

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everything that I have learned. And I'm hoping that this

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conversation actually is two friends coming together that

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really care about our communities will allow other

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people to open up with their stories and have conversations

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with us. And we truly in my conversations and communication.

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That is what this episode is about. And we really care, I

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love to a halt. But I It's okay to love. And that's and that's

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where I'm gonna go ahead and start with that allowing giving

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space for the masculine to feel that love their brother to get

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those emotions flowing, let them know it is okay to feel and be

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vulnerable.

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That is it right there. Most men do not have the opportunity to

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do so.

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They are told to hold their emotions back to be big boys to

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be men. And that is a disservice to the masculine. It truly is.

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So by organizing these divine masculine circles, where you get

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to talk about your feelings where you get to be in the

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presence of other men who want to heal, you're creating magic.

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You're creating the opening for issues that have been locked

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inside to come forward in a space where you're not being

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judged in a space where we know that words and actions matter.

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And we have come to a point where simply how we speak has

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changed. And I'm constantly teaching people about neuro

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linguistic programming and hypnotherapy about magic and

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shamanism, right? Because words are magic spelling is magic.

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That's why we say we're casting a spell. So my last circle was

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this combination point of everything that I've learned the

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last three years holding these circles of let's go ahead and

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break the spells that have been cast against Us, By Us by other

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people that start using words and power and not destroy this.

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Also start using words to

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create better relationships with people who have hurt you. You

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know, and let's go even further than words. Let's put intentions

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of love or even neutrality towards anybody that has done

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harm to you. Because there is no more

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Reason to carry hate in your heart anger, fair, or start

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gossiping about somebody else? Let's take care of ourselves.

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Have we given you one or two things over there? Or is that

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many?

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That was so good. That was so beautiful. And I know like

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you're not done, you're just giving me a little bit of space

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to, to add to it.

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When you say I love when you say that

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suppressing emotions, is doing us a disservice to, to the

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masculine, I feel it's also doing a disservice to the

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feminine.

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Because what a man is basically doing is that he's not allowing

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the woman to show him that she can support him as well, that

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she can make this space to listen to him and not judge him.

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And to still see him as a strong rock in her life. So once a man

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can be vulnerable, he can also see in his woman, Is she ready

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to hold space for me? Or is she severely triggered and going to,

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like, judge the shit out of me and make me feel even worse, you

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know, like, reinforced the Hey, you gotta be strong, you gotta

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be Boys Don't Cry kind of thing. And it's, it gives the

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relationships so much depth, and the man can see, not only that

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he is growing, but the relationship is growing.

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And the woman is growing. Once he learns to be totally

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authentic and transparent how he feels. Do you? Do you feel like

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I got? I got it a little bit. Right Path? Oh, no, no, not a

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little 100%. And your response to what I said, was amazing.

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Because that's a you just brought it together the role of

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the masculine and the feminine, and how the feminine can hold

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space for her masculine and, and if she is triggered, now, the

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feminine then needs to look within herself. What part of her

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is hurting and needs help, that she is projecting her feelings

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onto another man? Yeah.

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That's destroying the relationship. Yeah, this is it.

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This is this is the work that all of us are doing. Yeah. Yeah.

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I want to know, something. Thank you. I want to ask, because

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I can see a man opening up, and a woman not being ready. And

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then kind of punishing him for it. And if he's not 100%

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in tune with how he feels, or owns how he feels, he can start

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believing her. And, and, you know, making himself small

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again, do you know what I'm trying to say? Like so often is

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being put in a place where she is right, all of a sudden, and

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then the man feels even worse than before, when he's still

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suppressed?

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What? And now my question to you, is it what is it that men

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would wish that women would learn?

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Or, you know, add or understand to, to make that happen or

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possible?

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So make it happen for somebody to open up? Yeah, communicate?

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Yeah. What is it that women can still learn, in order for a man

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to feel safe?

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I think

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what women can learn,

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for one thing is that this understanding that men need to

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feel safe to I, you know, you asked me a question, but I don't

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think people understand men, oh, women that a man needs almost

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the same kind of things as a woman does. A a container

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safety, understanding, no judgment. You know, when these

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things are happening when we're communicating certain

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vulnerabilities, many times it's coming from a place from

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childhood from trauma

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suffer from the many, many of the same traumas as women do,

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right? It does not

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matter.

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So there is a park inside of them, it's that child less

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hurting. And I believe you may have discussed it to where we

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have an inner child that has all these experiences, and that is

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calling out to be seen and heard, and they're being

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triggered. And when you are speaking from that inner child,

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you want to be seen and heard, it is, it is so necessary to

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provide that child with safety.

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So just recognizing, just recognizing that everybody is

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hurting, everybody is already, I think there's gonna be more

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compassion and empathy. Once we start seeing that all of us are

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trying to be better men and women, just beings, what are

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however you refer to yourself, we're all of us are trying to do

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good, and have empathy and compassion for each other.

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So beautiful, you said, I have to let that sink in for a

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moment.

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Thank you so much.

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And I would like to add specially from the work that I'm

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doing and that this is going to who I don't know who is going to

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hear this podcast, I hope many people will do.

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The men are doing the work. They really are, especially the last

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three years when I started these, these circles

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a while was it was to heal internally, because we know we

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have to do the internal work. First, forget about what's going

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on outside, stop projecting your problems outside, see what the

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internal landscape is like. And start working on that. Make

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yourself come to a place where there's harmony and peace within

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you. And once that happens, right, then you can go outwards

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and start dealing with circumstances as setting and you

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know, starting to starting to help your friends out, help your

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family out starting to help your community out. We're at the

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level now where we are helping. It's not just about internal

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work anymore. What can we do when we meet as brothers? And

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what can we do as we when we meet as brothers to take this

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outwards into our communities to take it to our spouses or

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partners have the habit? How do we help our children now? How do

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we help our neighbors out? How do we help our communities out?

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How do we go ahead and create more circles? And now that we're

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creating more circles? How do we do co gender circles? Right?

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Where men and women are coming together. All of this is in

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play. Everything is coming together. And it's amazing. And

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you hinted at this, the goal was and this is this isn't applause

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This is a congratulations towards the woman. Because they

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have been doing the spiritual, emotional, emotional mental work

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for a while now, you know if they had been more aware,

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and a little bit more on the forefront and progressive

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regarding this. So the circles for women were created much

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earlier than these men circles.

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Kind of time for the men to do the work to

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it's not for punish or anything like that. It's actually with

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honor and pride that, hey, we see you. We know how hard has

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been, it has been hard for us to. So we're the ones who are

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going to go ahead and build a bridge to the feminine. Were the

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ones who are going to take the actions to bring the sacred

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union of the masculine and feminine into this role. It is

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happening. And whenever I speak I only want to bring glad

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tidings. There is nothing negative that I want to share.

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We are moving in the right direction.

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Yes, yes, I can feel it as well. And I'm, I'm so glad that you

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yes see it the same way and that more and more people are like

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feeling hopeful. Again, you know that that has been a very long,

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dark age of the feminine and the masculine.

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And now we can see that they're slowly approaching each other

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and they're still they're still not 100% Trust, but there is the

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willingness. There is more compassion, more understanding,

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and it's I feel it's the most exciting time to be alive.

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I'm very excited for the next five or 10 years.

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So when it comes to you, personally, what was the the

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most interesting thing that you've learned about yourself?

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As a man in, we can say recent years, recent months, if anybody

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has listened to the last episodes with Kilim, he went

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through a lot,

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to say the least. And you've done a lot of healing

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ever since and what would you say was the most? Yeah,

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empowering, interesting thing that you've learned about

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yourself while doing the work.

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So, my work has been with the masculine we talk a lot about

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the masculine let me write, the interesting thing, and I'm gonna

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go ahead and let's talk about this year was my, my outlook of

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the feminine. How when I, when I see the feminine, I see

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older aspects, the mother maiden Crone, but let's translate that

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to her being a lover, a sister, you know, all aspects a,

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you know, a friend, how to see her in all her lights, not

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putting her on on a pedestal, not, you know, making her look

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evil for being a sexual being. And just seeing, seeing that

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she's a woman.

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And as I started doing that, as I started developing these

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strong connections with feminine leaders, in my community and

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beyond, including you, it's just been amazing. You know, just to

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have that trust and love and friendship and partnership, and

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to show up as men and let them see me as a man as a protector.

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It has empowered me. Hmm. Right? It's empowering, because they

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see me. And I want to add to this, and for the women, what

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the feminine leaders have done, they started seeing men, they

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started acknowledging them. And just because they started seeing

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the men and acknowledging them, I started seeing these young men

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and older men who have been doing the work all of a sudden

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feel so strong and empowered, because somebody gave them

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attention. positive attention, saw them for being a man. And as

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soon as somebody saw them as being a man, this started

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becoming the men they wanted to meet. It was that was the

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bridge. And you know, I went on retreats and, you know, held

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space as a spiritual counselor for three, four days at a time.

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And I was like, Oh, my God, I'm seeing the switch, I'm seeing

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how the women are recognizing that they need to trust more.

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And because of that trust, the men are doing better. And then

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the men are showing up even more. It's been excellent. It's

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been absolutely excellent. And I've been so happy.

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So the other part to that is, as I started seeing the feminine

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the way I do, I started having this empathy, and started seeing

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the feminine side of me, really been working with them, the

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feminine side of me, and all of a sudden this empathy being

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like, if I was a woman, this is how I would want to be treated.

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Right? It's not, it's not this other anymore. I see her in me.

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And this is what I want for myself too. And there is such

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empathy there and such compassion because I can't be in

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in your shoes. And it goes further. How would I want to

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raise the door? How do I want to raise the next generation, I now

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know. And I can feel it, I can be it.

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I love it. I love being in touch with my feminine. And the only

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way I was able to do so was because I was working on my

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masculine. And the masculine has given space for that feminine to

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come forward.

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And, ah, what a shame my listeners can't see your face

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while you're speaking these words, but I can I can feel that

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energy I can not only hear but I feel the authenticity of your

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growth. And this is incredible. Like this is so precious and

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beautiful and just sharing that will serve so many people it's

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going to bring so much value to people's life because you healed

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inside of yourself. And now when a woman was showing up

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authentically and you know, bright and loud and expressive,

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you didn't feel threatened anymore. You didn't feel the

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need to judge her or to suppress her and control her anymore.

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Because you were like grounded in your own masculinity and

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This is when you can allow all this you are not in fear

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anymore, you are in pure love. And that is such such an

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accomplishment if we want to talk about accomplishments,

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that's that's incredible. Such such powerful work because it's

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going to connect you to even more people now because yeah,

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you inspire men and you are so trustworthy and and strongly

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connected to more women than ever. That is. Yeah, magical.

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Oh, that is good. Yeah.

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I was going to say, many things that I'm saying are about me

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holding space internally and externally at the same time. So

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when I said, when the masculine hold space, in a loving

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protective way, I meant that that my feminine was able to

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come out.

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Right, because I was working with the pure divine masculine

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energy, allowing my feminine to come out the divine feminine,

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balancing both masculine and feminine coming into unions, as

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you could almost imagine it's a dance, all the qualities,

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they're not the masculine and feminine, that we think about

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these are qualities of, of divine of God of universe, in

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all of its chat being challenged, channeled within us.

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And this rising is coming together in partnership.

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And then what has happened and working with men and women,

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especially women, I don't teach about the divine feminine, or

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how somebody should be more feminine, right? All I do is

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hold space as the masculine to allow the feminine to emerge.

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She'll teach first of all, she just needs space. Yes, that's

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all she needs, protective, space, loving space to be her.

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And that is it.

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And

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this is this is what we know. Now

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I have all over, I have goosebumps all over because this

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is so this is what the feminine is longing for, you know, being

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suppressed, or oppressed, raped, manipulated for so many decades,

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and misunderstood. And now there's men, like rising up, who

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actually allow us to express ourselves and who hold space and

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protect us. It's, it's such a liberating feeling. It's

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incredible. Like this is some this is so

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I also want to acknowledge the especially the feminine leaders

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who have been doing this work, and I know you, you have

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encountered men, including in yourself, where you had to

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happen to your masculine of holding space for yourself,

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knowing that you are safe, that you're allowed to express

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yourself. It didn't necessarily come from an outside force.

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Again, no other man told you how to be feminine. You know that it

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was the feminine, the who who were like, well, I need to know

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about masculinity so that my feminine can do the work. Always

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giving back credit where we're belongs, all of us are doing the

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work equally, you know, but it's very true, though, now that men

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are learning how to hold that space.

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And when it comes to

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relationships and things, this is where the polarity comes in.

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And when we start learning how to hold space as as masculine

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and how to express ourselves as feminine, we can change the

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polarity, then somebody can hold the feminine space when they

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normally hold the masculine space, and vice versa and go

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back and forth and we learn. We understand. We don't have to

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take the same role at all times. Yeah, yeah, no, that's totally

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makes sense. And then to put it like into very simple words,

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we're not born with a manual we're not born

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like you know, with a script where we know our this is who I

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am.

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I feel we all unlearn for a little bit who we are, we're

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trying to be somebody else who tried to fit in, and then the

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work that you are doing, and that you help people with is

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reminding them of who they are. And going back to that and

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incorporating like the feminine and the masculine being both and

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knowing that if a woman

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like totally emerges into the feminine and is now only

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In the feminine, it is not going to be easy for the men because

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now he has to be all masculine. And he can be feminine like to

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know that every individual has to hold space for both energies.

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Because you can't use your partner to do the work for you.

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I feel that's, that's yeah, so important, what you just

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mentioned,

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I'm just thinking of the very, you know, the men who grew up in

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a very harsh environment, the men who

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maybe had role models that were very stoic, and you know, very

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closed up, and I gotta be the provider. And I'm just going to

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do my work and the woman is going to take care of raising

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the children. If a guy, let's say, the son of this very stoic

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man, now wakes up and realizes, okay, well, this was my role

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model. I'm kind of tapping into the same direction. But I'm

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feeling that there is more out there, I feel I want to embrace

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my feminine, more, I want to see that masculine is not about

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being harsh and aggressive.

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Like if he starts to see that, what would you recommend? Could

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be the first steps into the new direction?

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Do you know what I'm trying to ask? I am. Yeah, absolutely.

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And,

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you know,

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the obvious answer seems to be go ahead and meet with men who

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are like minded.

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Write cases, this is where the this community work comes in why

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we do a lot of this work in a group, because it is meant to be

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done in a group this is this is how the healing occurs.

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So for sure that that is step one. But how do you do that?

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Because there are so many places out there that do not have these

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circles that don't have communities like this. It's very

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hard right now, you know, you it's very, very hard to find a

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circle like mine. I am so lucky that I know many men who are

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doing the work like me, so I can recommend them out in New York

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City. There's somebody in Nicaragua I know of other bigger

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groups. First thing is I would go back to what I did. I took a

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journal

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and started writing down. What does it mean to be a man?

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Right, started looking at qualities of I saw, Oh, he's a

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protector, you know, and that energy is not us to violate

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anybody is use for care for kindness for the betterment of

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this community. Right? Yes, there is a destructive quality

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also. But destructive is only used so that good things can

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come in.

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A man is not constantly in competition and competition is

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not necessarily a bad thing.

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But um, but when he encounters another man or woman, as you had

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just pointed out there, there is no, no trigger there and there's

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a threat. It's cooperation. So I started writing it out in a

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journal, what does it mean to be a man, right? And then when you

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have these qualities out and you live in integrity, where you

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said, this is what it means to be a man, you start living like

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a man, trust me, everything that you need will come to you. Your

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Vibration, your being changes, I promise you just go ahead and

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start it. The people that you need the friends, the family,

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the help services, whatever it is, it will come to you

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it really truly well.

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Yeah, you truly got to trust it and then just go ahead.

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Yeah,

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there's a lot of a lot of surrender to what I just said.

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Right? There's gonna be a lot of resistance with people are is I

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know how I was like, No, believe it. There's there is something

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out there. The collective consciousness we call it that is

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the blueprint out in the world that is already established for

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us. You can reach it through meditation, through chanting to

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just being a piece go in nature and bring it down into your

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body. It is ready to happen.

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We are very magical beings and

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And you know what we do? We're doing a lot of shamanic work in

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these circles. And I'm referring to my fellow healers and leaders

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of feminine and masculine, we're tapping into the land we're

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tapping into our ancestors are tapping into processes that we

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have forgotten. We're at that point where you have rightfully

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put out there of forgetting, rewriting things that were

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taught to us in this timeline, so that we can remember the

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things that we have forgotten.

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Searching for important work, such important work, and this is

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how, yeah, evolution is possible. Right to do. What our

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ancestors, yeah, maybe didn't have the tools to do the time to

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do the energy to do and now we're here and we take

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everything that was good, and we're able to let go what was

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not serving us anymore? And, and move on together? This is, yeah,

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like I said earlier, it's it's going to be very juicy

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interesting times here coming up.

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And I have said this, unless something some thoughts coming

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to your head right now. No, no, no, like, keep going. Okay. I

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have said this. You're, we're so tapped in right now. So you're

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talking about the things that I've been talking about, and

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we're on the same wavelength,

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this technology, all these tools that we haven't been given, all

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of it is helping us it actually is giving us more time, so that

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we could spend in meditation in nature, just connecting with

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ourselves. We live in a relatively at least in the

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United States and Canada, a safe environment, we are not at war,

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such as you know, in in the Middle East, we have safety of

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our homes for most people. And we're very, very blessed that we

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have the look that I know things need to change and the

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environment is very heated right now. But there is space to have

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any religion have any spiritual practice, have time for

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ourselves and not be in constant fear.

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going in the right direction. Yeah. Yeah. And that, hopefully

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is gonna work as a, you know, ripple effect to effect the

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areas on this planet that are disrupted right now that are at

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war. In a positive way.

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Yes, hopefully. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. And I love that you said that

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take care of you first. Take care of your family, whatever

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that looks like. It could just be your animals.

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You know, yeah, take it from there. ripple out take care of

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that small community that you want to your neighborhood. It

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really is going to affect everything at a global level.

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Yeah. No, I totally believe that. And, and I see it the

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exact same way. I have. I have one last question for you.

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Yes. What is it that you are working on right now? What is it

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that you still want to get better at? Learn? Understand?

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Yeah, you seem pretty evolved. You seem pretty centered.

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But I'm, I'm always curious to know what what people are. Like,

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where do you put your energy into right now, when it comes to

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your, your work on yourself?

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Okay, work on myself, or with community or with yourself.

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So my, my work on myself

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really has to do with understanding that I'm a human

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being, right, and that I'm going to continue to have triggers and

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trauma will be coming up.

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And lately that has been happening. So

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if something happens, and it puts me in the spiral,

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I have recognized that I've developed all these tools. So

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even if I was in it for two weeks, I'm being very sincere

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about this. Something of that nature would have put me in the

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hospital would have made me suicidal, or I would have done

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something to harm myself.

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So I have to recognize my humanity in this that I'm still

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a

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Teacher A healer that I can do this work and and be gentle that

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I get triggered or I fall into trauma. And then I have to

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recognize that because I am helping other people do this,

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and I'm continuing to do the work myself. It's it's layers

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upon layers of healing, I'm going deeper than before. I'm

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not a failure. I'm getting to the core, this is what Shadow

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Work is. And I have I am so open to it. And there, there have

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been times where I was like, No, I don't want to do this. I don't

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want to I don't want to do transmutation. I don't want to

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do shadow work. I thought I was over it. I want it to be more

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gentle. It's, you know, it's not gentle. It's very rough. But I

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can be gentle with myself as I experienced these things. Hmm.

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That was the cherry on the whipped cream on egg.

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Nice. Because

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first of all, you You brought it to light right away, it was not

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hard for you to think about it. And, and second of all, I feel

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it is so important for people to see that we are all constantly

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evolving. We're all constantly

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going through, yeah, motions and struggles. No matter where we're

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at, you know, you seem very evolved and centered and

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grounded and

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glowing. But you still have stuff that makes you feel, yeah,

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that scares you at times that make you feel insecure at times.

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And for people to know that this is normal, that this will always

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be part of life, you will only have different tools available

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to get through them. And you will believe in yourself more

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and you will be more gentle with yourself.

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Like he said it because I think as human beings, we think, Oh,

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we got to do all these things. And then we will never ever

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experience pain. Again, there will never be discomfort and

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this should be the goal. Any discomfort is a proof that I'm

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not doing it right. And then you punish yourself again, and

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especially like as a spiritual leader, like you are someone

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who's a strong role model. It is so tough to go through a rough

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phase because you feel like no, I gotta be out there and inspire

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people empower people, I can't be

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you know, in pain and, and take time to just make sense of

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what's going on. I have to be spot on all the time. And

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I find it so beautiful that you were able to share this with us

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because it's it's important to know that suffering is part of

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human nature. And it's it's all about. Yeah, being humble. And

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surrendering and

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expressing it and trusting that it will just be temporarily.

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Yeah, thank you so much for for sharing that.

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I

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I'm going to the words that have been coming up and that my my

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brother is the people that I hold space for the I let them

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hold space for me. i They taught me to surrender. They have

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taught me to accept, accept everything that has happened to

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me. And even my the youngest one that I have in my circle. 18

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years old, he's such a teacher. He goes in and said stop

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controlling.

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You know, leaves stop controlling, everything is fine.

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Let go that control because we like to control so that we don't

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get triggered or traumatize because we've been triggered and

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traumatized so much we we control the situation and you

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know how that's gonna play. That's a whole other podcast

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right there. Yeah, so surrender, accept, stop controlling. And

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he's 18 years old. And he's looking at me and he's like, I'm

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being serious. Not not talking about circle talking about life.

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I was like, Look, I was like, You're so wise.

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You are so wise and you are absolutely correct. I'm, I'm

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learning these things with everybody. I teach them and

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it's beautiful. That is so beautiful. Yes, please. I want

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to I want to record an episode with you about control about so.

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Yes, that's gonna be something. Yes, please.

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Thank you so much. That was

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incredible. And I'm excited that we

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We'll record that next one together. Is there anything you

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would like to share with my listeners, and then please let

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us know where we can connect with you follow you let it all

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out.

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It just I am so grateful to be here with you, everybody

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listening, it really does matter, to have a voice to have

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a platform to be able to express yourself. These are things that

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all of us are looking for. These are my viewpoints. I know many

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people agree but if you do not agree, I asked you to listen

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with an open heart, take what resonates and do not take on

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anything that doesn't resonate with you. You know, you all of

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us are, are have freewill. We are sovereign beings. And you

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don't you have a you have an intellect you have a mind. Use

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it, use your heart use all of you. And I encourage that and I

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absolutely want to send my love out to anybody who's listening.

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Everybody does not matter. I am here, have great intentions and

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is amazing to have my voice out there.

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If anybody wants to reach out to me, I am very active on

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Instagram at the path of surrender. I will be at a

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contrast shamanic festival in Homestead, Florida, January

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27 230 it myself, my partner Colleen, we're going to be

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serving as Earth shamans. During that process. There will be many

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contra shaman teachers over there. I get to see people from

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all over the world. It's very inexpensive for what it is. And

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I'm ready to invite my tribe in and to meet people in person.

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Hmm, that is so exciting. I will not be able to attend. But I'm

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so excited to maybe see pictures or little videos for one year

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there.

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Yeah, it's called the solar Lunar Festival. Hmm, beautiful.

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Yeah. One day soon, one day soon. I get down there. Down

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south. Yes. Well, we're waiting for you to come and visit.

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Well, thank you so much. And who is this gorgeous little.

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This is a Leo the little lion.

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I just completed Well, I haven't fully completed a yoga teacher

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training. One day, he was only seven weeks old. He just showed

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up at the yoga studio.

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He was not good at all. He was he almost died. He had ticks and

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fleas and he had this rat poison on him. So I had fed him to get

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his strength back. And now he is so healthy. He's a little terror

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my house. But I love him so much. You know so much that you

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can learn from animals. And even though he's very vicious

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sometimes but you can see him he just wanted to be in the

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spotlight and jumped on my lap and is wanting all this

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attention now.

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Man See, I didn't even recognize him. I saw the pictures of the

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little one. So healthy and beautiful. No

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crazy kids. Thank you so much for for being here. During

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everything you you shared with us and yeah, we'll keep in

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touch.

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Thank you.

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Much love