Ep.40 Being adopted and the search for identity interview w/ Robin Parenteau-Walker

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Hello, hello, and welcome to the Borealis

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experience. I'm your host Aurora, and I'm very happy and

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excited to have Robin Ryan Walker with me today, we will be

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talking about a very sensitive topic, a topic of adoption and

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how being adopted is. Yeah, very, very tough for some people

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easier for others. But the search for identity is what

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unites pretty much every person on this planet who has been

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adopted. And yeah, I'm very happy that Robin is here with

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me. He will be walking in the coolies in Lethbridge, and I

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have a beautiful view of Mother Nature. They're awesome. And

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yeah, he will be talking about his experiences and what he has

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to share with us about this beautiful topic. Thank you so

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much for making the time and for taking us on a walk with you

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today, Robin.

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Absolutely. And thank you for inviting me here. I'm happy to

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be here. And as I mentioned earlier, this would be my first

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podcast that I do speaking on. So maybe not as polished as I

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could be.

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Yeah, we're not going for polished here. We're going for

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raw and honest. So I'm very happy that you're here and I

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know you will be shining brightly. I would love to share

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with with our listeners hear a little bit about your

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background. And as you might know, can imagine, the more you

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go into detail, the better it is for people to being able to

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relate to you and feel less lonely with their experience.

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Absolutely. Okay, well, I'm, I go by Robin. I was I was born

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and named Robin in my birth actually. You know, I didn't

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really find anything out about that part of my story in detail

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until just a couple years ago. Most of my life, you know, I

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knew I was born in foothills Hospital in Calgary. 1979. I

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knew that I was adopted, I knew that. My parents were still

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children, really, they were 15 and 16 when I was born. So they

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both were 15 when I was conceived. And, you know, the

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world was different than my mom didn't have a lot of support.

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And back then, having children that young and out of wedlock,

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you know, was frowned upon. So the decision to put me up for

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adoption, like made a lot of sense. You know, my adoptive

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parents told me when I was young that I was adopted and what they

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knew of the circumstances around that. And it all made sense to

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me and I didn't consciously feel slighted or unwanted or

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anything, you know, I had a pretty normal upbringing for the

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time. I've lived in Lethbridge since kindergarten age. Maybe

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the year before that. See, you know, my experience that way was

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was pretty normal. And it never even really occurred to me, like

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to look for my birth parents. Until I found out I was going to

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be a father. You know, and that didn't happen until I was 30. So

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at that point, I applied You know, one of the provincial

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buildings here in the city, photos and paperwork and you

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know, while later I got a, an envelope in the mail with some

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mostly redacted documents, that didn't really tell me much more

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than I already knew at that time. And sometime after that, I

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think it was maybe a few years after that, the laws in Alberta

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changed to the to for adopted for a season. And parents have

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adopted children, where they could apply for information and

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there would be more available to them without the consent of the

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other party. So at that time, you know, I reapplied and, and

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I, I got some more documents, less redaction, so I can't

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remember exactly, but I think I found out my mom's name at that

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point. And actually I did. And you know, this was around 20.

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Around 2012, I think 13. And so I looked in the Calgary

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phonebook. So I found that my last name, or her last name is

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pronto. And although I didn't know how to pronounce it at that

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time, because I just read it. And I looked in the Calgary

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phonebook and there was like, three pages worth of Toronto's.

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So I wasn't about to start calling them, you know, it just

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seemed like No, I mean, for what, what possibly could have

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been nothing. And I believe I looked on Facebook, and I didn't

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find anything, and you know, maybe just did a Google search

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or whatever. And, and that was that and kind of left it alone.

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Shortly around that time, I had my second child, and then a year

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and a half after that, my, my third and last child. And again,

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it was, you know, it was nice to know the information I had, and

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I didn't really think too much of it. And then early 2019, I

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was recently separated, and I got laid off and, and I decided

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to take the month of February off. And I considered you know

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what something I put off for a while and so, so one of the

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things associated with my birth, I guess is that I was my mother

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is matey. And when I was younger, I had matey status, and

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I, I use that to gain some to access some funding for college.

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And back in about 2004 2005. And then sometime after that, I'm

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not sure if it was the provincial government or if it

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was the matey nation, or who but they

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updated the requirements to obtain matey status in Alberta.

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And part of the requirements now included genome genealogical

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information, which again in my situation I didn't have. And so

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for a while there, I lost that status. And so, in February, I

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decided, well, that's maybe something I'll look into, like

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see if I can find things out there. So I went down to the

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local matey office in Lethbridge, you know, told the

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lady my situation and she instructed me to come back the

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next day that there'd be a woman there that we could go through

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some genealogical records and see what we could find. And so

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the next morning, I was as I was sitting, having breakfast, and I

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had my snack, or my two folders anyway, and I was leafing

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through my documents. And you came across the document with my

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mother's name on it, and had my phone there. So I opened up

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Facebook, you don't type your name in, and this time she was

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there. And I clicked her profile a little bit just to confirm

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before I reached out to her and then as I was looking at her

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profile, I saw there was a woman listed as one of her sisters.

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And so I decided to reach out to her instead. And I can't

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remember exactly what I told her I still have the message on my

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phone though if I want it to go back to it. And her initial

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response to me it wasn't like a you know, what are you talking

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about or whatever so I knew that I was on the right track there.

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And so she got in touch with my mom who was at work and then she

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got back to me and and you know, my mom and I started texting

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through Facebook messenger from there. And later on that week,

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we talked on the phone and then made arrangements to meet in

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person so I I found out that she was living in wood Duke and I

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had two younger sisters. And one of them two nephews, and a whole

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bunch of cousins. You know, five aunts two uncles, one who passed

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a couple years prior. And yeah, so in mid February, I took my

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oldest son up to Edmonton to West them into mall and we did

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the waterpark and a little bit of shopping and then then we

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went and met my mom and one of my sisters and my nephews for

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dinner that night. My youngest sister was living in Red Deer at

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the time and she couldn't make it up but we were able to

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connect with her on our way back to Lethbridge at the end of the

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weekend, so yeah, I guess you know, meeting her meeting my

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sisters. It was just It just felt really normal like it felt

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like home right like I just I connected with them pretty

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easily we we you know had things in common perspectives you know

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my one sister talking about like raising children and we had a

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lot of same ideas and and I brought up a bunch of childhood

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photos and stuff with me so we were all going through pictures

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and my mom and you know pulled out a bunch of pictures so you

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know a lot of the genetic resemblance was apparent right

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between like my children or me when I was young and and my

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sister's and nephews and aunts and uncles and all that so that

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was it was really positive experience for me and and then

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it opened up a lot for me that I've been carrying all that time

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that I didn't realize consciously right because

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there's a lot of stuff that gets in there unconsciously

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especially like I was adopted right from birth. So you know, I

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found out a lot of these a lot of these details obviously after

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meeting my mom, and so she she was living in BC when I was

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conceived and when she found out she was pregnant, she moved to

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Calgary and she was attended a school for unwed mothers which

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you know, again speaks to the time that we were in back then.

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And you know, she was in the hospital for some time after I

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was born because she was so young and she wasn't permitted

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to pull me or anything right like she she'd come she'd come

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to the nursery and look at me but other than she told me there

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was one time that nurses couldn't get me to stop crying

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and she was there and and they let her hold me for a little

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while and I stopped crying right of course but you know for for

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an infant you know to consider nine months and mom's belly you

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know I can hear her heart I can hear her voice I can hear the

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people that she's with

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and then you know the first day come out into this world and all

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that like she's just gone right like I there's no I mean again I

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don't know all the specifics but for me to think of my own

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children and and what I know from from raising them and and

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you are so so far successfully I think and you know I can't

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imagine what it must have been like for infant me to just she's

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not there right and sure you know my my basic needs were

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attended to buy nurses but it's it's not the same at all right

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so there was definitely stuff that I was carrying in my body

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you know trauma from that experience that I wasn't aware

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of. And even now I'm still processing

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Wow, thank you so much for for sharing this with us and

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especially the last part of what you said that so like I can

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imagine when you hear that story and I would say like physical

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touch is basic need that that you haven't received this in the

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first couple of weeks after you were born made you feel very

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like vulnerable but at the same time also maybe helped you to

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make sense of of how you feel and perceive life. I don't know

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now after you realized Okay, you were deprived of physical touch

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and closeness with your mom can you like see what it did you

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like when it comes to physical touch? Are you extremely needy

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now? Or? Or is physical touch something that is very difficult

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for you to receive? Like on that level of connecting with people

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do you notice that it did some damage to you?

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I mean now I'm in I'm in a pretty good space, you know,

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I've done I've done a lot of work, you know, as we call it,

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and I wouldn't say it's impacting me much in the

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present. But if I look at my younger years, especially like

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my young adult years, I you know, I was I related very

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superficially to people to women in particular. And I wouldn't I

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wouldn't say physical touch was like difficult or a problem or I

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don't know that I was necessarily needed, but

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definitely like a lot of very short superficial, primarily

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sexual relationships. As a young adult,

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yeah. And it can be connected to that. It doesn't have to be, but

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it certainly can. And how was it for you during your teenage

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years? And you you're your 20s? Did you have a longing, like a

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search for identity more than others? Because I know that a

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lot of people who are born in a family with their dad and their

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mom, they go through the same thing. They don't know who they

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are, they feel like they're very different to their siblings and

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parents, and they have to find themselves. Was it, like, more

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intense for you than for others knowing that you were adopted?

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Or was it not really a thing? conscious?

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Yeah, well, I mean, obviously, I can only speak to my experience,

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which makes it somewhat difficult to compare and

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contrast with what others experiences might have been.

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From what I can imagine, I don't for me, like I remember one time

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meeting, one of my dads I can't recall was a friend or an

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acquaintance or a business associate or what, but, you

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know, my adopted dad, and he said something like, you know, I

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mentioned that I was a son, and he's like, Oh, yeah, I can see

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the resemblance. And you know, and in my mind, I'm like, what,

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I don't know what you're seeing, but it's not fucking there, man.

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Yeah, there's no resemblance. There's nothing right. And

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that's just it. Right? So it's all my family, like there was.

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We didn't have a lot in common, right. Our interests are like,

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the things I was curious about. They didn't have those same,

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like my two older sisters that were both also adopted. And I

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knew that, you know, it was easy to understand that, yeah, we

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don't have these things in common because we aren't related

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in that way. Right now. It doesn't mean like, you know,

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it's not like we never did things together. We did you

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know, we play board games and, you know, have movie night and

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whatever, just like anybody else. But when it came to the

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things that I was really curious about, and I really liked

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spending my time with, like, I was inside of my family, I was

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mostly alone in that, and I was okay with it, too. Like, I I

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kept my own counsel, I, I was pretty okay with, like, a being

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by myself. Now. That's not to say that I spent all my time by

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myself, like I had friends growing up. And I, I certainly

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spent a lot of time you know, at the park and over a friend's

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places and all that sort of stuff. But again, a lot of those

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relationships were were fairly superficial, right? I never

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really got into the stuff that really mattered to me with

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anybody. You know, I never really like express things that

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upset me, or, you know, if I got bullied at school, I didn't

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bring that home. And maybe that's why, you know, maybe it's

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I just didn't want to bother my parents with it. Maybe it's, you

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know, who knows? For sure. But I can imagine that that had an

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impact instead of all of that, right, like just being left

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alone. So early. It just kind of carried through. And it was just

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normal for me to just think it out by myself, right?

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Yeah. Yeah. And to feel like yeah, you have to struggle

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through life when it gets difficult by yourself and you

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can't rely on other people or maybe other people are not

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really trustworthy. Yeah, it's, it's when I read your post, like

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a couple months ago, I felt so attached because yeah, you just

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picture that little baby that's crying for intimacy and for

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physical touch, or for whatever the mom could provide. And it is

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cut off of that source of love and holy shit like it's, it

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really gave me goosebumps, and I felt Yeah, it was so powerful of

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you to share this with the world with the Facebook world and, and

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that you made yourself so vulnerable. So I have so much

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respect for you. And I feel that it can help a lot of people out

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there to, to know that when you realize something like that when

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you hear news like this, and you share this with the world then

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people can connect with you on a deeper level. They can

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understand you and be closer to you. After you posted this post

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Did you have like lots of feedback from people

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Yeah, I mean, there was, there was public feedback on the post

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and, and some people did reach out to me and, and some, like,

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you know, after the fact just in conversation would mention what

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they got out of it or, you know, I'm discovering more and more

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people that I know that were adopted that I didn't know,

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right. And it's not necessarily something you go around asking

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people particularly as adults, right? Yeah.

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Yeah. If you were to speak to someone who still hasn't found

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their parents, and they feel that longing for yet to know who

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they are that search for identity, did you come up with

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tools over the years, like before you met your, your

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family, your biological family that helped you out that made

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you feel safe and understood? I know last time we talked and

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walked around, we talked about astrology. Is there is there

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other sources that you like, Did you go to counseling or any,

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like anything, you can think of books or whatever you could

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recommend to somebody who is still feeling like something is

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missing in their life, because they're not connected to their

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biological family?

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If I look back on my life, you know, I kind of fumbled through

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it all really. And I see the first, like, major work that

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well, I guess, one turning point for me would have been right

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around young adulthood, right, somewhere like 1718. You know,

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as a teenager, I lead I read a lot of fantasy I read some like

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David eddings, Robert Jordan, Terry was, you know, like,

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dragons and sorcery and, and, you know, fantasy type novels

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and a bit of sci fi as well. And, and then when I was around

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1718, I can't remember the exact circumstances around it. But I

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came across this book, I think it might have been one chapters

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open the left bridge, I'm not sure. Anyways, it was called

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seven life lessons of chaos. And I think, around the same time, I

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kind of come across chaos theory and like the idea of fractals

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and the Mandelbrot set, and I was fascinated by it. And so I

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read the book, I didn't memorize the seven life lessons, so I can

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wrap them off. One of them was about like butterfly power. And

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you know, the idea that if a butterfly flaps its wings on one

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side of the world does it cause a tornado on the other side of

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the world, and so just the idea of like, all these independent,

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you know, kind of feedback loops that can build into something

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greater, even though they're not specifically organized to do

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that. And also the different ways that we kind of reinforce

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like, the status quo, through all of our little, you know,

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individual, and yet collective actions of, you know, putting

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the open sign in the window, and, and, you know, wanting to

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work and all that. So, so that was interesting. And from that

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book forward, I, like kind of stopped with fiction, I found

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reading about the real world to be far more interesting, because

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it was, it mattered. It seemed like to me, whereas stories were

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fun, but I had a good one, while I didn't even really watch much

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TV. Other than, like, documentaries and stuff, so I

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did a lot of just like, learning about the world, worrying about

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how my mind works, learning about how my body works,

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learning about how society works, and psychology and

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different cultures. And, you know, I was raised Roman

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Catholic. So, you know, religion was something that I was curious

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about, and, you know, so being raised Roman Catholic, I was

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presented with that. And then in the making sense of it, you

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know, I wanted to look at Well, what do other people believe,

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right? What do other religions teach and, and then looking at,

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like the commonalities To me, that's where we could find

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truth, right? Like if there's, if all of these different

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religions that, that were developed in all these different

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areas of the world, all speak about certain things in common,

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like, that's what matters all the rest of it's just, you know,

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bullshit that this or that leader put in there to control

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or whatever it might be. And I've since come to apply that

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same sort of idea to the kind of other things I've been studying.

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But so I guess, you know, just kind of went off on a tangent as

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far as your question goes, but I think for any individual and

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their search for you know who they are, I guess, you know,

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part of that might involve and external, like, find out what

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you're interested in right? Find what you're passionate about

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find out what really kind of pulls you forward. And then from

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there, maybe you can reflect and take it in, right and look

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inside. So, so that would have been the first thing that kind

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of got me going. But really through my 20s, I was a heavy

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drinker and, you know, partied a lot and didn't really do much

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for my future during that time other than to experience things.

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And my my oldest son, Steven, so his mom, my relationship with

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her was really quick all around. I was 28, when we met, I didn't

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know she was 18. I thought she was like, early 20s, she didn't

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realize I was so old either. So it wasn't until after we like

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started dating that we both found out we were 10 years

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apart. And you know, it wasn't long after that, that Steven was

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conceived and, and then he was born, and then we got married.

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And we made it just over a year. And then we separated and

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divorced. And, and that was not a great experience. But through

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it, I definitely like for me, it was like, Okay, well. Why did

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this happen? Right? What did I do wrong? What Why did I behave

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the way I did you know, if that's not wasn't my intention,

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or what I was committed to. And

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I had the luck or, you know, if you want to call it that of

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meeting, a gentleman that introduced me to, ultimately the

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work of Werner erhard landmark worldwide. And so, over the

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course of that, the following year, I did a bunch of personal

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development programs offered through landmark and developed a

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greater I don't wanna say understanding, but that's all

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it's coming to me this time, but, you know, understanding of

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kind of how we perceive and see and interact with the world,

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through like, filters that have been put in place over time,

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based on stories that we tell ourselves, because of the

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experiences we've had, you know, so for, like, one story that I

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might have had, since infancy would have been something like

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that I don't matter or that I'm alone, or, you know, something

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of the abandonment sort of flavor. One, so, yeah, so doing

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that work, you know, enable me to, to be able to examine my,

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well, first of all, to be aware of my filters, and then to be

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able to examine them and eliminate them really, right.

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Because once once you're aware, it's easier for stuff like that

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to be disappeared. Whereas a lot of people aren't aware that

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they're operating with these filters in place. And so

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therefore, they, they think and act like they're perceiving

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reality directly, and that they're dealing with reality as

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it is objectively, when really, it's, you know, highly

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subjective and, and that's why of course, they can't understand

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why that person thinks this and this person thinks that and so

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on and so forth. Whereas when you can see your filters and are

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able to dismantle them, then you can also see, you know, be aware

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of the filters that other people are operating with, and not that

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it's my place to do anything about those, but just to be

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aware that they're there and that, you know, I can maybe be

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patient and, and compassionate understanding with these people

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and, and in my dealings with them. And so yeah, so that, you

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know, highly recommend landmarks work, it's great, it's not a

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call. That's all I'm gonna say about it. But there's definitely

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other all sorts of other work out there. I did do some I think

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it's a lot like EMDR therapy at one point. I'm not really sure

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how effective that was because I I got booked in for it before I

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did the landmark programs, but I actually did it after so I feel

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like the program is moved a lot of stuff in the in the in

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between time that when I was doing a therapy, the therapist

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even noted like, you know, you don't really seem to need this.

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So that was kind of interesting to me. And then after that, more

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recently, so when I separated my littles Mom, I would have been

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early 2019 late that year. You know, the works definitely not

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logical, like smaller stuff that I've read and understood

Unknown: 00:30:00

So, Robin one second. Connection is not on the mic is not really

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good anymore.

Unknown: 00:30:11

Okay, I think the winds picking up here. Yeah, now it's okay.

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Yeah, there's, there's like a breeze pick it up. So maybe

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I'll, I'll stick around here.

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Yeah, this is perfect. Thank you.

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Okay, sorry, sorry. Yeah, no, no, no, that's, that's all

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right, the better better than me to go on at length and, and all

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you hear is the wind so but yeah, the work we did, like I

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said it's just, I don't want to get into trying to explain it

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too much because even now I don't really understand but I

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but I do understand enough to know that like, there's a lot

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going on in our bodies that, you know, Western science still

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can't explain. And we know this. And you know, we hold just like

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emotion and things that we haven't processed somewhere

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somehow, you know, in our bodies and different organs. And it's,

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it's not all mental stuff, like, a lot of people think, and, and

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sometimes even just like, kind of playing out a scene. And like

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witnessing and seeing and hearing things can shift a lot

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of stuff, even though it's not actually like real, right? Like,

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I don't have to necessarily sit down and have this heart to

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heart with my birth mom or dad or whoever. But you can almost

Unknown: 00:31:34

fake it. So that the body is like, then able to release

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whatever it's been holding on to.

Unknown: 00:31:40

Yes, yes. Ah, this is such a precious work. Also, when you

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think about breakups and finding closure. A lot of people feel

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like they can't find closure if they don't talk to the person

Unknown: 00:31:54

anymore, or finding closure with somebody who passed or something

Unknown: 00:31:59

like that. So it's very precious work. Wow. And how's it called

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again?

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Absolutely. I'm not really sure. I think I think it's worth

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doing.

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Yeah, it wasn't really, my introduction to it. Everything

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wasn't really that formal. I just saw she was posting some

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interesting stuff on Facebook and, and started hanging out.

Unknown: 00:32:23

Yeah. Very, very cool. Thank you so much for sharing. Man, we're

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coming to an end here already. We have a couple minutes left, I

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would like to ask you one last question. What was the the first

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like question that you had for your mom that really helped you

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to connect with her? When you met when you reconnected with

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her? Do you remember?

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I don't know if there was like a specific, you know, q&a, it was

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just kind of a we met for dinner and had a conversation and, and

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inside of that, all of that. I guess just to add, it's like he

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just thinking about, like, how it was for her. And like, being

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that baby and being born and stuff, like it's still triggers

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emotion for me. Which tells me I'm still processing right and,

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and so sometimes they'll sit in a little bit and then you know,

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it can be uncomfortable. And I'll leave it alone for a while.

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But it's there. And anyway, so. So yeah, like really hearing

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like her story of, of all of that, right? Like how it was for

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her when she was pregnant. And just to just to think about

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like, the decisions the choices she was faced with. And how

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difficult that must have been. Yeah, and like, you know, what

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she wanted for, for me and and for herself. And and she

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couldn't see like that she could do it. And so she did what she

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felt was best for me and and it was, yeah, and it was best for

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her and you know, my sisters and everything. But because of the

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way like our system deals with these things, that's really

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where the trauma came in. Like I think that we could do adoption

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in a way where you know, these babies aren't left with this

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traumatic experience, but i don't know i mean that it takes

Unknown: 00:34:39

a lot more compassion than what the system offers today.

Unknown: 00:34:42

Oh my god. Yes, yes. This is like so touching. I wish I could

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give you a hug right now and say nothing but we're just meeting

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over zoom. So I hope you can feel a virtual hug and and I

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appreciate your soul. Deeply your story is heard and you

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matter. So much like your story and to share this the way you

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did is so precious. And to see and feel how much compassion you

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have for your mother really shows that you are living from

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the heart, you know, you don't live and walk around like a

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victim and make excuses. You face reality. And you face the

Unknown: 00:35:29

situation with grace. And you have so much compassion for her

Unknown: 00:35:33

situation for for another human being out there. And yeah, I

Unknown: 00:35:39

have so much respect for you. And thank you so much for making

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the time and walking with us in the coolies. I deeply like

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appreciate all of this. Thank you so much.

Unknown: 00:35:57

You're welcome, Aurora. And thanks again for having me. It

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was my pleasure.

Unknown: 00:36:03

Thank you so much for listening to the conversation I had with

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Robin. And yeah, if you have any questions and want to reach out

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to him, I have his link to his Facebook Messenger here in the

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show notes. I hope we brought a lot of value into your life. And

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yeah, if you haven't subscribed to this podcast yet, please

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subscribe. And if you want to leave us a review, share your

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thoughts with us. Thank you so much and I will be out there

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very soon again. Bye bye.