Ep.33 Born into poverty and crime- rising up and living a life as inspiring role model w/Jeremy Devens

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Hello, and welcome to the Borealis experience. I'm

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your host Aurora. And I'm very excited to be posting this

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interview today with Jeremy devens. Jeremy has a yoga

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podcast called the quiet mind, yoga podcast. And he also has an

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astrology podcast about Vedic Astrology. Make sure to check it

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out. He's a huge inspiration for me. And his podcast helped me

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through that very long and COVID influenced winter. He is so much

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in my life

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that we in my family, we have a term when we say, do you want to

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do a Jeremy? It means do you want to do a yoga session a

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meditation with Jeremy because I see you're struggling. And I

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know this will make you feel better. He has an incredible

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story. He was born into poverty and crime, and is now rising up

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to be an inspiring role model and leader. So I'm very honored

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to have him here on my show today, and to share his story

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with you.

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I hope you enjoy this interview. And yeah, feel free to share or

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send a comment or a review. And we will be excited and happy to

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answer all the questions you have. Welcome on the Borealis

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experience show.

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Jeremy devens.

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Yeah, well, thank you. I really appreciate that intro.

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So yes, I was quiet mind yoga podcast and the quiet mind

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astrology podcast is there separate and yoga practices on

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the yoga, podcast, and then astrology insights and

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horoscopes on the astrology one. And it's vedic astrology, which

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is from the same source texts of the Vedas as yoga teachings. And

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a lot of what I teach now is very much from that tradition

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and path is so helpful in my life. And I've had a really sort

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of

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interesting life. I guess I could say anything, everyone

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could say that. But I had a very difficult childhood, no father

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and very unusual upbringing, and led me to ask a lot of questions

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and try a lot of different things. And then I ended up

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finding yoga at a relatively young age in my early 20s. So

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there's a lot of things I could touch on. But I'm curious if

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there's anything in particular, you'd want me to focus on maybe

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this

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finding your true self, your knowing yourself, like you

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talked about in your podcast, understanding yourself better

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things like that. Yeah.

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Yeah, and most of my listeners are men. And I feel like it'd be

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very interesting to hear how you started your healing journey,

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because I think a lot of the time, like, it's good to have

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guidance, and it's good to hear the story of someone who went

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through stuff, and then how they help themselves. We talk a lot

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about counseling. But sometimes a counselor, like is kind of

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from an above perspective, and they sometimes didn't go through

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stuff. So on my podcast, we share stories, where we can

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relate and you go as deep as you want to go

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for people to understand who you are, what you went through.

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Yeah, so your healing journey and to share that

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will be so incredibly valuable.

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Yeah, for sure. So first thing of note worth of note worthiness

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is I you know, growing up without a father, it's it was

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very, sort of unclear of, you know, who I am or what here or

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going to school when everybody's talking about their dad and

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their family. And you know, I didn't have that. So I felt

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outcast and different and I think we all feel outcast in

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different ways. And are all kind of seeking to understand

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ourselves better. But that was for me, I just kind of got used

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to it though. I felt like okay, well, that's just the way in my

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life is and that's okay, and can't change that. And we

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actually did several blood tests with different men and it wasn't

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those guys and my mom had a really

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ruff wildlife as a young person she had me when she was 20, I

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was a fourth kid, the only one that she kept. So the other ones

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were adopted out. So it's very unusual and sort of chaotic. And

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we moved all the time. And there are different men around. So I

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didn't really have any, like masculine role models are men to

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look up to, I had a couple of uncles who were criminals. They

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were in and out of jail all the time and stealing and

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doing drugs, and is very chaotic. We lived above a bar

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and inner city, and there was shootings outside of my window,

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like there was violence around. And

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so my mom was a bartender, and I was around the bars and the

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gangs there in the inner city of Minnesota, in Minneapolis,

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growing up there,

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and she wouldn't let me go outside. So I just stayed inside

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all the time. And that was actually good, it's, I probably

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would have gotten a lot of trouble, one of my friends

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actually got shot at a young age. So it's good that I stayed

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inside. And that kind of led me into a more meditative way of

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approaching everything says having to be isolated, having to

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be internal, almost in a confinement in a way in

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solitary, which is what meditation is, really, it's like

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a chosen sort of solitude. So I basically had to be alone. And

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I got into like video games and movies and keep any kid. But I

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spent a lot of time alone. And I got to kind of sit with my

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thoughts a lot. And I think that led me to being interested in

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meditation and yoga and spiritual path. And eventually,

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I was flipping through public access TV, and there was some

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guy doing Qigong, I didn't know what she Gong, but that's what

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he was doing on TV. And he's just like, standing there, you

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know, with his cheap camera and doing some movements. And he's

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talking about energy, you can feel energy in your body. So I

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was like, making fun of it with my friend. But then I saw it

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again, like no, another day, and I just tried it myself. And I

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was like, Oh, my God, I could feel the energy. I felt

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something. He said, you know, feel this in your stomach, I

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could feel it.

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So I got really interested in finding that, you know, finding

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this hard to figure out when that show was on, I only found

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it a couple of times on public access. But as sort of sparked

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my curiosity, like there's something more than just, you

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know, the everyday life that I was living in.

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That's another way teens. So I got curious about meditation and

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eventually found Alan Watts. Have you heard of Alan Watts?

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Yes, yeah. Yeah, it's great philosopher, teacher writer, the

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60s 70s or so, and eventually found, like all of his audio, I

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could find hundreds of hours of stuff and listened to all of it

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over and over again. And that was like my first sort of father

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figure really, in my life.

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I had my uncles who taught me how to steal. So I was stealing

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things when I was young.

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And my mom was like, What are you doing? Like, why are you

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like, Well, you know, the only men in my life are thieves.

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That's what men do, right? She just gotten a lot of trouble for

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that and realize, like, well, that's not really what I want to

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be doing.

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And fortunately, I didn't get into drugs, so dodged a bullet

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there. But I did get really into meditation and like this sort of

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spiritual path at a pretty young age and realize ultimately, that

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like, any reason that we can take drugs, or any reason that

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drugs could affect us is because they're affecting our neuro

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chemistry, what's happening in our brains. It's like the drugs

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are just stimulating something that's already in our brains

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that I think we can access with breathing techniques or

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meditative techniques. So started exploring that stuff.

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And Alan Watts kind of talked about some of this stuff. And he

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just had a really interesting view of the world. And so I got

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really into that. And then I just kept going, like we touched

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on so he starts talking about yoga. So I was like, Okay, well,

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I'll check out yoga then just, I was doing the meditation as best

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I could, and like finding like some guided meditations. But

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then he mentioned yoga. So I started to seek out a yoga

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class, and eventually found one at my gym that I was going to,

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but it was all women. So I was like, this maybe isn't for me,

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maybe it's actually just the women's only thing. So I

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eventually found it wasn't just for women and tried it and loved

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it. And it was like meditation and movement together. So I felt

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like I found this thing that I was looking for.

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Because it was having this way of being present and being

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embodied. And being with myself that wasn't so negative because

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a lot of times when I was with myself before it was

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I got really into like dark, heavy music and really moody

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stuff. So I was kind of in a depressed state for a few years

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before that, and the embodiment of yoga really got me out of

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that. So

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this is kind of, you know, getting me up to my early 20s.

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And then I, then I wanted to keep doing yoga more. So I tried

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that yoga class, it felt really profound and really important.

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And like, something I wanted to do every day, even though it was

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very much outside of my norm, not cool. Like all my friends

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that I had in high school, were getting into drinking and drugs

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and partying all the time. And it was like the split in my life

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where it's like, I don't want to do that, because I saw that

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growing up. And

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so I just basically went out on my own, and didn't really have

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any friends for a while. And it was just like doing yoga things

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and meditation things and Alan Watts stuff and listening to

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that all the time. And I was just working jobs for money at

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the time, but I was mainly trying to be a musician. That

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was my main focus and music. And that was a way of expressing

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myself. But it was all kind of filtered through this ego lens

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of like, I should look this way, or I should like the music

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should be this way I should have this success. Or I'm this age

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now, like what did these people do when they were my age? So

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there's a lot of ego wrapped up in it. And

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eventually, I read this book by Alex gray, the painter Do you

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know Alex gray heard of him? I've heard of him? Yes.

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So he is like a psychedelic painter. He's done all the

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artwork for the tool albums, the pan tool.

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And he kind of he tries to transmit this like mystical

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experiences meditative experience through his art. And

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he has a book called The mission of art. And I read that. And

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that really stood out to me. And he talks about this idea of ego

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side, instead of suicide ego side. So I was in this

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depressive state. And I was like, looking at all this stuff.

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Like, why are we here? What's the point like, Who am I and

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trying to understand myself in my life, and

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it's very down for a while, but then I read his idea of ego

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side, it really stood out to me, because he talks about how

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there's a certain amount of people every year, jump off the

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Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco and try to kill

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themselves. And some of them survive. Some of them don't. But

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the ones who survive in like the research they've done and then

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most to death, you think, well, maybe they tried to kill

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themselves again, and they, they're successful that time.

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But a lot of them from the studies that they found actually

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survived the jump, and then they feel like a part of them died,

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rather than actually dying. Like, they realized, well, if

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I'm willing to do that, if I'm willing to give up everything

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and just end it all, then everything else now is a bonus.

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It's just extra, it's like, I can do anything. Like if I'm

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willing to just end it, why not just quit my job that I don't

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like or leave this situation, I'm not happy and, and they're

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essentially killed their ego, and moved on. And that's what I

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did in my life is my identity was musician, cool, dark,

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brooding, mysterious guy, whatever.

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And I just dropped all that and just got really into things that

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actually enjoyed, which was the yoga and meditation and

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left. My, you know, is difficult decision. But the main person I

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was making music with were in this is always felt heavier when

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we were working together, and it felt more like I was going down

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and a darker place I didn't want to really be in.

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So I just trusted like, Okay, well, I'm going to go towards

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what really lights me up. And what I really feel like is in

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alignment, and that was I knew for sure it was just doing yoga

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every day, and meditating every day. And that was the first

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step. And then it was my diet and my habits and my sleep. And

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you know, and then moving out of Minneapolis, I didn't like the

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cold weather and moving to Texas where it's warmer. And so just

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like this step by step of like,

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you know, noticing what's feels like it's in alignment and what

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I actually want and what's not in alignment anymore and kept

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doing the things that were in alignment and it started with

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just one thing for sure for me was you know, the yoga but

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before that it was the Alan Watts and before that it was

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meditation. And so now at this point, it's I feel like most of

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my life is in the integrity if like if something feels out of

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integrity, I can say, now that doesn't feel right, I need to

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change that.

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But for a long time, I did just kind of work jobs to make money

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and just kind of get by and all I had was my yoga practice I

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felt in alignment and then little food choices, little

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health choices or lifestyle choices.

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And then that eventually led to a yoga teacher training which

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completely changed my life. And then that teacher was also an

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astrologer. So astrology learning, did an apprenticeship

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with him and just kept studying and studying and just basically

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was on the 10 year run of just constantly doing trainings and

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learning and going to retreats and reading books and having

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lots of experiences being deeply involved in communities with

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their centered around yoga and meditation and spiritual

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communities. And men's work as well and the mankind project,

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it's really helpful space. So basically, I decided to just try

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everything because everything was extra, so willing to kill my

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ego of rock star, whatever. You know, Trent Reznor was a big

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influence like that really dark moody rock music, Kurt Cobain

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kind of stuff. Radiohead, you know, like, that was my big,

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those are my father figures for a while, but it was making me

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more and more depressed and not feeling like myself. So I killed

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all of that, instead of actual suicide and the ego side, and it

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chose to just do what actually felt in alignment. And, you

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know, doing yoga 12 years ago is definitely not cool. And for

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men, and,

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and that was usually the only guy in the class and for years,

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I was usually the only guy in the class and, you know, now

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it's a lot more normal, but it's, it's like I didn't care

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about that I didn't care about you know, what anyone thought of

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me or what it looked like, but I was there for my healing. And,

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you know, yoga got me and my body got me to get into these

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deep meditative states of presence and self awareness.

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And, and, you know, you just start to notice all these

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patterns, everything that's out of alignment, and you just start

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to see like, okay, that's not working, that's not working and

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change it. And that's kind of in my process. And till you know,

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where I'm at now is kind of where I want them to be the

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whole time of where I feel like I'm just doing the work I really

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enjoy, and fortunate to get to help people. And that was like

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the ultimate conclusion of all that, there's a few things. So

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number one is like life can either be a tragedy or comedy.

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And for a long time, it was a tragedy. And then I decided with

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the ego side that it'd be a comedy. And I would

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not care what people thought and just do what felt right. And,

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you know, as long as it doesn't hurt anybody, you know, and then

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the second thing was MLK, Martin Luther King, Jr, quote that

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stuck with me when I was in that depressive state of

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he says, life's most pressing and urgent question is, what are

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you doing to help other people. And my whole thing at that point

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was just trying to succeed as a musician. And that wasn't really

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helping anybody. It was just this trying to help out this

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image in my head. So I switched to helping and even if it's just

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one person, even if I teach yoga class, and nobody comes, or one

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person comes,

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you know, I just decided I'm going to try to help people like

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my teachers helped me because doing the yoga practices, and

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that training like

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was, by far the best thing I've ever done for myself. And so

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life changing. I'm a high school dropout, I had no money growing

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up, no family to support me. And the first thing I ever completed

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was my yoga teacher training. And I

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felt like that was the thing I'd been looking for is like

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understanding philosophy, anatomy, spirituality,

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meditation, all the things are included in there. So I just

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really stayed on that path since then. And it's just continue to

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deepen and expand. I feel like I'm still learning things all

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the time. Because there's so much depth to it. And I was just

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kind of looking for that my whole life. And now I feel like

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I'm living in alignment with that, and I'm really grateful

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for that. So I hope that's helpful. Yeah, answer. Yes. That

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was such a Yeah, in depth answer. And so beautiful. Thank

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you so much for sharing all of this.

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It must have been a very lonely path and a hard path at times,

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but like you said, it was so worth it. It was so worth to let

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everything go. Let your ego go. I can recall eckerd tolley, you

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will know heard of him. Yes. went through a similar

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experience. And yeah, now you kind of flipped around your

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whole life experience and sharing with other people and

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helping them and inspiring them. It is like so incredible to me

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to hear your story and to feel and imagine how you have felt

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when

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We're growing up. And to know now when I look at you when I

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listened to your podcast, I just think he's like the role model

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that if I had children one day, I want to let them know this is

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the direction we want to go. Right? This is and so from from

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not having any, like inspiration and to living like growing up in

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darkness, you created your own world, you you probably have

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friends now that feel like family and support and

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everything you needed back then as a child you have now and as

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because you were willing to walk through that loneliness and, and

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yeah, show your true self.

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Thank you. So yeah, incredibly grateful.

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I cannot stop saying that.

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I'm gonna it comes to astrology. I know, for a lot of guys,

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they're gonna probably switch off the episode now. But talk

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about it because I feel more and more people are interested in in

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because you either believe in it or not. But it can teach you

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again, a lot about yourself. What were the experiences of for

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you that you've made? Was it in magazines, or podcast? or? Yeah.

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When was the strategy

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starting to change you and change who? Like how you see

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yourself?

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Yeah. So there's a couple of significant things that first is

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that when I was growing up, and this is just a sort of

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paranormal, weird story, and I'm not very paranormal person at

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all. But my mom and my stepdad were playing with a Ouija board

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when I was like eight or nine. And they said, if you're, if

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you're a healer, give us a sign. You know, they're asking all

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these questions. And then finally they say, Okay, give us

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a sign if you're, this is real, and all the power went out and

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the whole block. And so as like a like eight year old kid, I was

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like what, you know, like, maybe it's just a coincidence, you

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know, whatever. But that sort of sparked my imagination of like,

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trying to understand like, maybe there's more to life than just,

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you know, physical practical reality. And, you know, having a

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difficult childhood, I think a lot of people who have like

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traumatic, difficult childhoods they, they look outside of the,

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the, you know, like, I didn't have the mom, dad family unit

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thing. So you have to think outside the box, you have to

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look outside of what's normal and expected. So you get curious

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about the things that are more esoteric, and that's what I did.

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And

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so I was always curious about astrology and paranormal stuff.

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But I kind of just stopped focusing on the paranormal

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stuff. And I kind of followed astrology loosely, even from my

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childhood.

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But it wasn't until doing the yoga training and then working

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with my teacher, his name is metop Benton, he's written a few

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books about yoga things, including the book called

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astrology yoga. So he was my teacher for my yoga training.

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But also he was an astrologer. And I heard people had amazing

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experiences, like people were just raving about his readings.

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So I scheduled one and eventually did that. And again,

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I was still very poor. So it took me about a year to finally

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pay for this, like $80 reading.

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That's how I ended up doing the teacher training, I had to do

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like this work trade to pay for that. So there's, you know,

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still very poor at this point. And like 12 years ago or so. And

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I got a reading with him. And he's basically told me my whole

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life, like he didn't actually know me, like, we knew him as a

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teacher, but like, looking at my birth chart, he knew like I

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didn't have my father, you knew things about my life that were

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very specific and like specific dates, convened.

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Like there was a certain turning point in 2008, for me, and

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that's, you can see that date on my vedic astrology chart. This

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is different than Western astrology, Western astrology

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doesn't have these time periods in that same way, it doesn't

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have a lot of the same ways of going really deep like this. So

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this is the Vedic Astrology that he taught. And that's been used

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in India for 1000s of years. And yeah, that just that reading a

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really stuck with me and

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change the trajectory of my life significantly. Like I was like,

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yoga was great, like, Okay, I know this is good. But then the

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astrology stuff is like, how did he see that? How does he know

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this stuff? I'm like, so what is it about astrology that can do

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this? And so I got really curious and I did an

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apprenticeship with him and learn as much as I could about

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it and didn't think I'd ever have my own work doing that or

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teaching it because it's so complex and so rich and deep but

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event

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It came to the point of like, I realized, no,

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I want to help a former version of myself. That's kind of where

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I'm at now is like, everything I'm doing now is the things I

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wished existed 12 years ago. And it was so much harder to find

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so many things even just 1015 years ago, and now the internet,

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everything is so easy and podcast. So my Vedic Astrology

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podcast was the first Vedic Astrology podcast. And now

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there's a few, but it's a dig, I created it, because the stuff

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was confusing and difficult to learn. And there weren't good

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websites at the time. So I created that. And

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ultimately, I think it's one of the most empowering tools for

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self awareness and self realization. And so validating

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to see it's like, okay, you know, loss of Father is in my

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chart. And I kind of tried to test it and tried to find them

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and did everything I could, I even worked with an FBI agent,

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who has like records on everybody, and he couldn't find

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them. So I just sort of that was one of the ways where I just

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sort of surrendered of like, okay, like, there's some truth

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in this chart, you know, there's, there's things we can

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control, there's always things we can control and choose how to

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respond to life. But there are some things that are bigger than

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us, like, I didn't choose to be born. And I probably won't

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consciously choose when I die. But there's a lot of choice in

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between. And by a lot of things like, I don't get to choose

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who's going to, you know, show up to my classes, or you know,

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who I'm going to interact with all the time. So, astrology

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gives us some of that perspective on those bigger

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universal things playing out these karma zz that are playing

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out of like, yeah, in this state, something big is going to

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happen, related to X, Y, and Z. And now I can sort of understand

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it a little more, maybe prepare for it. But ultimately, it's

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just sort of, as Einstein would say, like, he would say, I want

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to know how God thinks. And I think that's what astrology is.

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For me. It's like, I want to know how the universe is

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creating and understand it a little bit. I don't think I'll

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ever understand it fully at all, but at least have a hint of

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like, okay, there's some patterns here that I can learn

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from? Mm hmm. Yeah.

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Yeah. Such a powerful part of your life now. And you make

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people interested in it, and you make it very engaging. Like, the

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first time I listened to it. My boyfriend was in the room. And

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like, I didn't know him that well, at the time, I thought he

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was gonna be like, Oh, no, like, I'm gonna leave the room. And he

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was like, oh, like, really? Is that going to happen this week?

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And

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that's interesting. Well, let's keep an eye out. And yeah, so it

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was very engaging. And

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interesting to see that there's parallels with the Vedic

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astrology and the real world, like in politics even a couple

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months ago, and but then also internally,

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and you don't have to, like give everything else up and focus

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only on that you can, but you cannot see it as a guide and see

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like parallels. Right? And, yeah, it's a beautiful tool that

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you can use to get to know yourself better and your

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environment and to relate maybe on a deeper level as well.

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Yeah, absolutely. Just there's so many things in the my first

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reading that just stood out, like How does he know this?

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Like,

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it, it's once you get to understand astrology, it's, it's

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pretty clear and things like, you know, before that, you know,

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in the US here and 2021 and insurrection thing that happened

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in the beginning of January, like, like, I got a lot of

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messages from people of like, you just said, this is gonna

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happen.

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You know, it's, it's like, that's, that's the kind of stuff

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you can just look through history and you see the patterns

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and it's like, okay, there's going to be a revolution

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happening.

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So it's,

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in a way it's, it's

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simpler. And from the Vedic perspective in India, like they

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often think of time, very long stretches. And us, we often

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think of time and very short stretches of like, What about

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now? What am I going to do today? What's the news today?

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But often, the Vedic perspective is 1000s of years of like, you

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know, we're going to reincarnate and come back. And you know,

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I'm, I don't, you know, I don't think you have to believe

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anything or follow any particular path to understand

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astrology, learn from it, or yoga. But yeah, that's the sort

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of Vedic perspective of like, there's just cycles of time

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playing out there's patterns. Yeah. Yeah. And we're all just

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animals, I like to say and we have Yeah, we go with the flow

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at times and we react to, to things that are happening in the

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world.

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Just because that energy is right there, and we felt feel

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like we have to awaken now we have to have a revolution

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because the old is is not serving us anymore. And I can

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totally see. Yeah, it's like waves like, like the ocean.

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Yeah, coming back and forth. And yeah. So yeah, we're coming to

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an end here. Your story is incredibly powerful. In a

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nutshell, I would say, You chose to not live alive as a victim,

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you chose to take what you had, and leave it behind and find

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something new and find yourself.

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So this, in and of itself is so inspiring already. Is there any

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message you would like to send out to mainly men but also

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women? The thing out there who are still maybe stuck in a

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situation they don't want to be in are still feel like a victim?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I mean, it's, it's really tough. Like, I remember, having

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a job I really didn't want to be at,

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there was a moment that stood out where, you know, we were

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working overtime, like 60 hours, 70 hours a week at this window

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factory that I worked at. And all I could think of is I just

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want to save up money and get out of this job. And me and my

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close friend, I had a few friends who work there,

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actually, we were all just like, we just want to save up money

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and quit because it's, it was so stressful and so difficult. And

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we were carpooling home One morning, there was that we

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worked the night shift. It's like 7am, and our leader, or

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like shift leader, guy or manager came out in front of our

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car, like, jokingly, like, we're only going like two miles an

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hour, but he came out in front of our car, like jokingly, like,

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with his hands up, he's like, Just kill me now. You know, it's

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just like, we're all stressed out, we all wanting to get out

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of this situation.

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It's not where we wanted to be. And that just stood out to me,

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it's just like, I just need to just quit already. And I, you

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know, I didn't really have a good plan at the point at that

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point. And it was the best income I'd made at that point

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for sure. So it's scary, it's uncertain, it's unnerving to

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leave what is safe and familiar and what you're already in. But

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that feeling is there for a reason. Like, that's can't

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ignore those feelings. as men, I think we're often trained to

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just sort of

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not feel and like, like, whatever I can, I can handle

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anything, we want to be impervious to pain, essentially.

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And that's kind of what we admire in like, action heroes

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are athletes, like wow, like, you know, nothing can stop them,

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like MMA, like they can just get knocked down and get back up.

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And that's sort of a masculine strength. But when it comes to

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emotions, and those little messages of like, this has got

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to change, this is out of alignment. Like we've got to

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listen to those, I think otherwise, we continue to suffer

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and ultimately going to create a world where that's sort of

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normalized, and maybe you have a wife or family or kids or

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whatever, and they see you suffering and struggling and

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being something you don't want to be. And that creates more of

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that sort of energy all around you, and it reinforces it. So,

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ultimately, I think it's important to trust those

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intuitions and take little actions, maybe sometimes big

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actions. But to know that ultimately, if you're,

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if you zoom out, or just, we're just here for a very short time,

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and it might as well make the most of it while we're here and

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reach out to people who have done what you want to do. And I

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only reason I'm a yoga teacher now is because I had so many

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good teachers myself, only reason I'm an astrologer now is

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because I had so many good astrology teachers. And that's

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the only reason I have any success in my business because

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I've had so many good teachers and I have a lot of great men in

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my life in the mankind project and just to I've met over the

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years and other stuff. So that's a great program that any guy can

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get involved in usually anywhere in the world. And, but find

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people who are doing what you want to be doing. And eventually

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you'll be doing that too. It's not gonna be immediate, but it

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will happen if you just keep being around those people and

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keep listening to intuition.

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Very beautiful closing words. And yeah, as soon as you decide

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to shine your own light and be truly yourself, you will attract

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also people who

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who see you and who want to support you.

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And lift you up and it's just incredible. Like it's scary at

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the beginning, but they will find you if you if you are not

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scared anymore of who you are. And yeah, Jeremy, thank you so,

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so much for your time.

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I know you've just got a limited time here and I'm so grateful

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that you made the time to be on my podcast here.

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Yeah, incredible. What we Yeah, just created. I'm very, very

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happy. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. It's really an

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honor. Yeah, if you have any questions, if you got curious

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about Jeremy's podcast, please reach out to him or just check

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it out on Apple podcast or anchor or wherever you can find

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podcasts. And yeah, you know where you can find me. Thanks

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for listening and until very soon