Ep. 30 Are you a prisoner of your own mind? [mindset and growth]

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Hello, hello and welcome to the Borealis

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experience. I'm your host Aurora, and I'm very excited to

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be posting my interview here with John Astin, a couple of

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you. Beautiful listeners might know him already. I had him on

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my show where he talked about his 150 years sentence. And

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yeah, his experiences, and his awakening and what made him

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start to fight for his freedom. And then I had another interview

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with him, and Reginald, Joseph, which was very motivational and

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inspirational. And today, we want to talk a bit more about

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the prison system. And how John is doing now that he's out and

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about in this crazy world. I don't want to imagine how much

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stress you encountered at times. I was not locked up. I was not

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away for 20 years. And I have still difficulties to catch up

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with. Yeah, the fast paced life that it is, and I feel I don't

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know if you agree, John. Evolution like on an

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evolutionary. Like, if you want to look at evolution, people

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don't really have evolved. They're not kinder, they're not

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more compassionate. They're not more patient. We invented a

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bunch of electronics, since you were gone. But people are just

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as greedy and aggressive and selfish as they were before.

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Would you agree with that? Or did you can you see an evolution

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on a hard level?

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I agree on both points. Good.

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I say that because people change. But the world is like,

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the world is moving fast. And the people change, but the

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mindset doesn't. Yes, and I'm saying that because when I came

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home, when I came home from Angola after doing 20 plus

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years, I find my old friends and friends of friends have the same

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observations as I did. People are stuck in the same rut that

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it was 20 years prior. And I found that very amazing. And I

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wonder why. You see, because during in prison, I educated

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myself on what the Bible college what the horticulture school, I

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was a mentor, faith based instructor. I did a lot of

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things in 20 years that I was going so I use my time wisely.

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Okay. And I'm home now two years. And lots of people tell

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me that I have accomplished what I have accomplished in two

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years. People haven't did it? Did that there's been free for

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2030 years. Hmm, yeah. And that is to me, that's to me, that's

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very alarming. Yes.

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Yeah. And I feel we can learn from your mindset. And it's so

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tough to put into words, but I feel some people have to go

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through pain and stress in order to wake up and see how valuable

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life is and how fast time is running. Now that you've been

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out for two years, do you feel you're appreciating life on a

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deeper level?

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Yes, and it was doing time was a valuable lesson to me. Now that

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I'm home, I can use what I learned. While incarcerated.

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Actually, I learned patient that's the biggest thing. I

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never jumped into I never jumped into situations. When I came

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home. I wanted a house I wanted a car. I wanted all these

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things. I started working immediately to acquire these

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things. But at the same time, I didn't. I did not jump on the

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first opportunities. That came my way that I never felt right

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about it, because I did not want to put myself in a situation or

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financial situation this week, but I was in a position before

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prior to being incarcerated. And I had to maintain that. So I had

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to have a job. I had had continued No, I had a lot of

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worries that I that, that I don't have to date, because I

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never put myself in a position to be forced to work, or

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whatnot. You see not to take my time, and think out what

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actually I am going to do for myself, to provide for myself.

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And is to it's a slow process. But it's a birthing process.

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Yeah, very good. And so now that you've been out and you see that

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people have not really like changed. Do you feel that they

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are more and more listening to you and that they can see, okay,

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John went through some stuff. And he has to share things with

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us that he's learned before, just before you said, people

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have to know more about prison, and how prison life is and what

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you learn there and the hardship you have to go through.

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Yes, in prison, I learned that the more that you learn, the

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better position you will be in. So and when I first got to

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prison, I was playing sports, I was doing actually I was doing

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everything was everything other than what I was supposed to been

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doing. Like studying a law, the law got me in prison, and it was

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the law that's gonna get me out of prison. When I realized that

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I had to learn the law as it pertains to my case, my

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situation. And it took me like, it took me like four years to

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really dawned on me figure it out that, look, I have 150 years

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of my head, if I don't do anything, this has been my

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permanent place. And like I discussed what you are now prior

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interviews, is that what woke me up is seeing a guy being buried

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in Angola, and feeling his feeling his pain in so to speak,

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like I'm spiritually speaking here. Yeah, feeling his pain and

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not notice guy did not notice. But I felt him because of the

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commonality we have been incarcerated. And no one is

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putting myself in his shoes. Is it was a very emotional for me.

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It brought tears to my eyes. And from that point forward, that's

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when I made the decision. Look, I'm gonna fight for my freedom.

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Of all cause I'm gonna, I'm gonna sacrifice. I'm gonna do

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this net coming before me learn in my situation, as the law

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pertains to me. Yes, so. And long story short, I'm home now.

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Because of that.

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Yeah. How was it for you, John? When you're encountering

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situations now, maybe you have in the last two years, where you

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have a choice, you have a choice to react as the old John, and

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you have a choice to react as the new John, do you like to

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remember a couple of situations that you would like to share?

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That

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is a that's a beautiful question, because I didn't even

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know that. I mean, when you change your life, you're always

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gonna have the opportunity to flash back to the old view. And

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you have a decision to make at that point. Yeah. And that thank

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God first and foremost that he kept me to all these situations.

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Is time that I'll just want to blow up in this go off on an

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inmate or even a free forget. I like With my mind, by me

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learning in, in balmy water, my freedom, it kept me at, it kept

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me at bay. It kept me focused on my goal. You see, in that, in

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that was very paramount to my freedom. Today I reacted to

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situations that would normally bring me out there and made me

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lose everything. So now as I look back today, I am very

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thankful. And in a chocolate up, I'll give the credit to God

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first and foremost, because it's because when I went to Bible

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college, while there, the reason being is because I want to get

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to know who God is for myself. That was my tell me, I wanted to

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pray, I want to experience these things. Because the Scriptures

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say Try me, tastes me, I'm sweeter than honey, you're never

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you're never turned back. That was a promise. And I want to,

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and I want to hold Jesus, which is the word to that promise. And

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I'm not going to talk I'm not going in. As a result of that.

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My decision is never turn my back on God for the rest of my

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life. Because that is the word of God that opened my mind to

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things. Because that was other than that I was tunnel vision.

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Yeah, I've seen things where I want to see it. And nobody can

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tell me no different. Yeah, now. I'm patient. I listen. And I

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learn. Like My Daddy told me, you say, if you always talking?

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How are you going to learn anything? Yeah, how are you

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going to hear?

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Yeah, that's so beautiful. So you have those situations where

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you have a choice, but you have found God, you have found your

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faith that keeps you on track. So it is not only to be a good

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person, because you have to because you are on parole, like

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you're not doing it for the government to be good. You do

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not for yourself and for God. And that's your motivation.

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Because otherwise I think it wouldn't like if it was for the

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government and to be a good and perfect person all the time. It

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wouldn't be sustainable you wouldn't you? It'd be hard to be

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happy because you found that peace inside of you. And you

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want to keep that peace. It's motivation from the inside.

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Today understand that, right?

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Exactly. Exactly. Because if I don't do it, if I'm not doing

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something, for me, it's not in my heart to do eventually, out

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there would end to see good behavior will be overweight,

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that I can flesh out at any time and be like a walk in Tambaram.

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Exactly. Yes. Well, it says now. So. So since I'm doing it from

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our heart, I have more sustainability. You just

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mentioned.

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That's so beautiful. Now, you have your nonprofit organization

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called Second Wind, where you help people who come out of

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prison to reintegrate into society. How do you approach

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them? Which tools do you give them in order to be out there

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and freedom and not being scared to having to go back to prison

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because of Yeah, committing another chord, the

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main thing, right, law of C, that's the whole thing of my

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nonprofit organization is to lower the recidivism rate. And

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that is helping them to return back to prison. And they have to

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know that you can do anything you put your mind to do. You

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have to focus. Find out what that thing is that drives you

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that make you good, that give you hope. And hold on to dad in

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achieve that to the bitter end. And you shall I'm a prime

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example of that. Look at me. Look at me because I experienced

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that first experience was coming home. Not I couldn't find one

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person that understood my case and agree with me that I was

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going to win in Louisiana Supreme Court. You Hmm, I got

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denied the first time and Louisiana Supreme Court. But in

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that dissent I received from the judge on the Chief Justice gave

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me the ammunition, the understanding, to go forward,

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and know that I'm gonna when the next time around, it was the

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language in there. And I use that language for my benefit.

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And I had a lot of confident, confidence. And within myself

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with this, I believe, God opened my mind because my prayer was

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the God given wisdom, knowledge and understanding of my

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situation, then we overcome. And I think at this at this moment,

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he gave me that wisdom, knowledge and understanding, I

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pray for all those years. And I thank God for it. Because if

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nobody else could see it, that's why I'm, that's why I'm

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mentioning this. Nobody so convinced one inmate counsel to

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help me structure this thing. If that's what he's told me, he

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said, Man, you came at me so many times and try to explain,

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you see, you have so much compassion I had to help you. We

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see. That's how strongly I believe I was gonna move this

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case. And as a result of that, 50 plus people, inmates were

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released, because in my case, the karma case, the Epstein

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case, and he set precedents of law

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are you still in contact with those people?

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Not all count all of them. I don't know all these people that

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I just know few of them. There was one there was in the same

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facility I was in. I will love to know all these people. And is

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still people getting out to date on Estienne case is like God

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took my name and using it for freedom. When it was before was

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for bandage. Yeah. God trick a name that my name that was the

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wrong drug due to dirt. And now then praise in a sense. Yeah.

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For good. Yeah. Only God can do that. Yeah,

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yeah. And you're living up to your purpose, and you're helping

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others know. And yeah, it's just incredible. Very beautiful. What

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else people need to know about the prison system or about

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people who come out of jail I feel there's still a lot of fear

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and harsh judgment when it comes to ex cons and how do you feel?

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Can we? Can we make people believe that there is second

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chances people change? People can do good if they've done bad

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in the past? That's not them. They can they can be a different

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person in the, in the future? How can we Yeah.

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I'm gonna tell you what changed me. It was a loving support of

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my family in France. To sum it up, love of ages, everything. So

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when you so when you help in people, it's natural for them to

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be the show, or be appreciative of what you've done for them.

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And I think that's the beginning of changing one's heart. So a

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man hot has to change, we can't change it. He has to make the

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initial steps to change his own heart. And God does the

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miraculous thing. And as he does it, he completes it. Like they

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have the scripture say like one guy comes along and sews the

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seed and none of them comes and water it and God gives the

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increase. Right? So we have to be careful of how we deal with

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people because we don't want to do things that would take it out

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guys hands. So we ought to be the example. So God put us here

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not to be alone, to be come together to help one another.

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You see, and of course the people that you help in must

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also do their part. Okay, let's make it all work because faith

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without works is dead. You can believe all you want on some you

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can have ideas If we don't act upon it, it just remains an

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idea. Yeah, that's what they need to understand. Once they

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understand that principle, and they believe in a self, they're

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not gone back to prison, because they have muscle bigger. They

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they look in towards in prison, you gotta find something bigger

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than prison, bigger than the act that you bought to commit, you

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gotta find something bigger than that, you can't find that bigger

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than that, then nine out of 10 times, you're gonna repeat,

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you'd be a repeat offender.

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So this is what your organization is doing for people

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who maybe don't have a loving family, they are being received

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by you guys. And they are being helped to find a mission, where

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they can put their mind and their heart into it. In order to

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not go back to prison, back to the old life.

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Financially speaking, what our ultimate purpose is we are not

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doing so what I did do what I launched was for senior

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citizens, disabled vets, single parent homes, and people of the

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like, we we launched a fee, lawn services care lawn care service.

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So we go around, that will take a burden off these people. You

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see, we try to help. We're trying to show that we are for

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real, we want to help people, we need the donations. So we can

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get buildings get to get the transportation get the buses for

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transportation, bringing guys to and to and from their

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appointments. Jobs if that's the case, I'm getting hired a

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psychiatrist to deal with these guys mentally. You see, these

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things need to be done because Louisiana from last time I

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checked, we lead the nation in our mental health. And we don't

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have one we had less facilities. So I mean, I think that's the

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need there. Yeah. Come along and help you Yeah,

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yeah. And you don't have to be a psychologist to help you can

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just be a human being who offers Yes, right. You know, an ear,

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listen to and to have compassion and to maybe help out finding a

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mission? Because we all have

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zactly because we can't do it alone. No, hey, do it alone.

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Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Very, very

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psychiatrists. We need other people surrounding people. They

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also contribute in some way, shape, form or fashion.

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Yeah. Totally. So what is your plan? Can you share with with

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our listeners here? What is your plan? With your podcast? I'm

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very excited about your podcast here. What is your Okay?

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All right. All right, that the title of my podcast, which means

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you will discuss that, but I'm leaving it alone leaving it,

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Eric, a lot of people want it, you know, but we'll see what the

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future holds for that. Yeah. Anyway, out of bondage and enter

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success podcast. I came up with the ideas like was guys sent, it

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was different wording at the time. But some I put it in the

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right perspective for me, helped me out. And I really liked it

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because of my lifestyle. I was in bondage. Not only physical

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bondage, but I was in a mental bondage. And I come out of that

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bondage doing positive things, and I'm reaping the benefits of

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it now. And if I can do it, anybody else can do it. Yeah,

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that's the whole purpose of my podcast is to, for the listeners

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to listen to my podcast, and hear something that they might

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be gone through at the time, could release them from that

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bondage wherever they ban this or

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Yeah, it can be like an addiction. It can be mentally it

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can be just them living a boring life and not having a mission.

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Right and you can be there and like, wake people up where and

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let people share their story. That is so beautiful.

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Yes, exactly. Exactly. And then is helping that person that

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person I'm interviewing is helping them to is therapeutic.

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He told me therapeutic. Yeah, yeah, you know, we need, people

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need to get things off the chest. Yeah, the counties

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burdens around that they don't need to be kept around. You know

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the Word of God. When I learned the word of God, he said, my

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burdens are light come to me. And I understand I get it. Now I

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get it. And that's what I do. And guess what, every time I do

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it, I feel a whole lot better. I can sleep at night. And God

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opened doors for me. I can't beat that. I'm staying with it.

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The greeting work from me, I'm sticking with it.

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You're so, so wonderful. Yeah, this is a beautiful mission. And

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this is where you put your full heart and drive into. Right? You

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also have children, you also have a wife, and you have that

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beautiful network around you. How can people reach you, people

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who might not have that supportive system? Can they

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reach you on Facebook, on Instagram? Through your

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organization?

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Yeah, I have a website. I have a website for my own nonprofit

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organization. Yeah. Which is E second one.com. Yeah, you can go

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on our site, in contact with do that.

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Yeah. Beautiful. That is very, very

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glad. I'm glad for people can attend. We have loved to talk to

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him. We'd like to say communication rules a nation. So

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we can together we can do it.

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Totally. And you don't have to have a degree as a psychologist

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to help other people. Sometimes it's, it's good that they know

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that you went through difficult situations and you overcame

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hardship. And now you can listen to others and have empathy and

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compassion. Right.

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Exactly. Exactly. Because I've been there done that and and

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that makes you an expert in your in that area. Your experience?

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Yeah, you see, you went through things, you figured things he

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was wrong on certain things. And you had to figure that out? Once

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you get to go to next thing and before you know you you got it?

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And that would would you figure it out? People don't have to go

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what you went through to figure it out? Because you have the

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answer. You have the solution for them now. Yeah, and now and

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that was make it a beautiful thing. Well, we need this need

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people this the lesson, if they listen. And understand would

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understand and you got to listen with understanding. You just

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listening is going to one ear out the other, you have to

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listen intently with understanding and try to

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understand what what position the speaker is coming from, and

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try to relate to it. If you're not doing these things, and why

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you're listening, you will miss the whole point. And it's not

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gonna be life changing for you. Yeah. For words, changes people

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lives is the power of the word. The like the Bible again, say

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you know is the tongue is the is the power of life and death.

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Within a term is the power life. Okay, so that is what you

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speaking into your life. What you hear when you take an ad

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from other people. So you got it as you know, I don't want to

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ramble on, I just want to say it is, yeah. Take when you when you

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don't wish, right. When we speak somebody speak to you if to you,

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you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna receive that

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because you use wait and see, because you live in, in trying

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to do what's right. So you're always gonna gravitate towards

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you trying to do good or bad. So I pray that it's good. Because

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your, your result is going to be good. It is that's just a

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principle

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that you have to experience on your own. You cannot, you can

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listen. But then you also have to act upon it. Like you said

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earlier. Right?

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Exactly, exactly. You got to put when you believe in something

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new, something that you want to do some idea you have or

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somebody told you something, they put some idea in your own

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mind. act upon it. Have faith in yourself, have faith in that

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idea that you have, and just do it. Because if you don't do it,

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you never know what you can accomplish in life. You'll never

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know you never come to the pump. They never put the effort

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towards it. You have to go and do it. No matter if you fail or

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not. Don't worry about that part of it. Because when you tell us

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you learn how to be victorious. You just the process. This is

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life.

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Yeah, yeah. No, that's a such a powerful message. And if your

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intentions are good, you don't need to fear. Right? You don't

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need to fear if it's being received. Yeah. Exactly. If your

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internet

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what happened when you're doing?

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Excuse me? No, no, you say,

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no matter what the results are when you'd have when you do

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something with a good intent. It doesn't matter. Because you can

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get back up on a bicycle that you fell off of. And keep on

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going. Yeah, eventually, you will get what you're seeking.

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Yes.

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Yeah. No, very, very good. John. Is there any last closing words

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that would you like to add here for people to really know about?

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Yeah, prison life and life after and life in general?

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Yes, um, prison. I see that is no different than those who are

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free in society. Who put yourself in your own prisons?

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Yes. Okay. Yes. It's no different. Only thing different

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is that you free you can do something about it. Or you can

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go to get better health. In a physical bondage, you limited,

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your resources are limited. That's what I'm talking about.

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When you when you three Bangor that I am now here in society,

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now, Marie, SOS are bigger, I have a choice to do big seek

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help from various sources, versus me being in prison. So

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therefore, the people desert society right now. They're

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thinking about doing something wrong. Or going through sudden,

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seek out help. Don't be afraid to talk to somebody about your

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situation, find somebody that you can trust. There's one

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person that I know that you can trust, to talk to, to talk to

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that person, and how 10 times you will get some type of type

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of satisfaction out of that. And if that if you don't get what

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you deserve out of that was keep seeking. As the Bible Savior

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Jesus telling you, you look you're not in seek and you shall

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find in a door shall be opened unto you. So just keep going

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keep knocking at that door, seeking for what you what you're

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looking for. And eventually, you would get there. That's my word

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for you.

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Beautiful. There's also like, another thing I've heard is that

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God helps those who help themselves. Right? You have to

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be active, like you just said, you have to go and seek help go

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and ask questions. Because you will be helped. You have to

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learn.

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That's right. Yeah, that's right. You know, is like me, I

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receive help. For my situation, my court and while I was in

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prison, fighting my case, I receive help, because people saw

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me working so hard. Yeah. But by me not knowing the law like me

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counsels the death thing they do every day. In, they saw me they

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see me going and knocking on their door everyday trying to

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learn maximum questions, and I'm trying to find out certain

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different things. And some umbrella, you know, because I

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don't see this, they see it over and over again, people will

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initially start with deals, they will fade out. So they don't. So

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a lot of people don't want to help you because they feel like

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you'd like the rest. But just keep doing it. Keep on going

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forward. Because eventually they're going to find that one

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person is going to see you, you know, feel you is going to help

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you. You hidden in there you have it.

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Yeah. So beautiful. John, thank you so, so much for your time

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today and for Yeah, sharing your wisdom with us. It's deeply

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inspiring and so motivating and you don't have to be a person

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who was in jail to understand and to relate, because we're all

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sometimes in prison in our minds or in a situation we don't want

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to be in. So what you hear relates to everybody, and I'm

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very excited to post this episode. Thank you so much,

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Joan. You're welcome.